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and guys like why you always flex it
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yeah here comes flex again so it was
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kind of a negative yeah that's cool
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though they yeah yeah it caught on and
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the first actual bodybuilders so I did
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the promoter had new a body goes imma
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call you flex on the come on don't do
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that and went out and stays alive next
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flex waiting the crowd went crazy I was
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a little skinny pencil but it's that
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same kind of stuff you know one of the
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things I appreciate that you you talk
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about a lot and it's something that we
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share on the show is that we actually
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talk about a lot of what drove us into
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fitness was our insecurities yeah here's
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exactly that you know being skinny guys
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you want to be bigger and you know I
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know from the being in fitness for as
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long as I have it's actually more common
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than you would think it is right in an
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MMA you heard about it new martial arts
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you know either your big brother or
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somebody was beating your butt or just
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that another and you know you just got
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into it and now you just want to make
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everybody pay right yeah and now you
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have a very interesting
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I followed you quite a bit in the 90s I
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was a huge fan of bodybuilding you were
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definitely one of my favorites I refer
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to you as the probably the greatest
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uncrowned mr. Olympia of all time thank
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you I just got a word at that did you
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really yeah um there's a organization on
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Instagram and they're pretty prominent
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now and we're just following a whole
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career so they just did a countdown of
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the top ten our top thirty bodybuilders
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who never went to mr. Olympia and second
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was Kevin I thought he would win Kevin
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Kevin would be my second or second was
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Kevin and I was at first so yeah thank
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you that's awesome yes it's great to be
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um acknowledged by your peers and
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especially you know people are extremely
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competitive I mean what more do you want
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you know I mean you know just to be
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accepted for your color or regardless
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what race you are your color your sex or
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you know you care to sleep with I think
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the most important thing is no matter
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what we just want to be accepted so
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excellent you know so for my peers to
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accept me like that it's great it's
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better than when in Olympia yeah you're
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often referred to as them is one of the
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most aesthetic pleasing looking
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bodybuilders of all time it used to be
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frank say now I think I hear your name
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more often but you have an interesting
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childhood you have a very interesting
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you know story leading up to
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bodybuilding so I want to go back a
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little bit now you grew up in California
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right yeah California Fresno Fresno tell
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us a little bit about that in and you
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got into martial arts
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first how did that happen what was your
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childhood like and then eventually I had
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the body bullying so yeah I had a
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colorful childhood
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yeah it was rough I grew up right around
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the time that the Crips and bloods had
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just formed in Fresno so you had you
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know based on neighborhoods you had you
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know cousins and kinfolks killing each
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other you know because of that line it
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didn't have anything to do a family
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anymore so that was rough I mean you
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know unfortunately uh you know single
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you know parent you know just typical
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American family you know sad to say but
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single parent and you know my mom tried
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to do the best you could we're on
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welfare and yeah the neighborhood was
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kind of rough it was just you know
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fighting or somebody getting beaten or
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or you know jumped or something like
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that was just normal so me you know I
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just I was really non conflict I just I
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don't know I was just a quiet kid you
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know before I got destroyed by the world
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and became the person that I am now but
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got it picked on a lot got beat up on a
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lot I think their own age of seven I am
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nine I got into martial arts um the
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recreational center Axia was called IV
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recreational center had a movie in a
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plate Bruce Lee Enter the Dragon and I
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just I just fell in love with it I just
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fell in love with it I I felt this
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character you know I could identify it
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to it and ironically a week later they
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started off from offering martial arts
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so for free so I'm like eh I'm all-in
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you know so I just um I just I was
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all-in I was a hundred percent you know
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I went to school every day I could the
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Train and I loved it and I followed with
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the teacher our instructor said and you
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know end up becoming pretty good at it
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but on the streets and in school I still
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couldn't bring myself to harm anyone but
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in the ring I would oh it's not that I
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tried to harm anyone is I understood
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that it was a competition and I wanted
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to inflict my will on you know it's
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probably something back you know
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background noise about being beat up all
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the time on the streets and just wanting
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to show myself so you know funny is um
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the bullies at school and junior high at
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the time you know I was terrified of him
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so I would invite him to my school that
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I would have to fight him and then I
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would just annihilate him it was just
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something would just click I don't know
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and then they would go back to school
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and they would tell so I didn't have to
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fight anyone at school because the
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bullies would go around in tow but I
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still can bring myself to fight on the
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street I remember even my siblings you
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know just as brothers and sisters do
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would just have a field day just beating
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me up even neighborhood kids would beat
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me up and I would just stand there and
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think if I hit him I'm gonna hurt him or
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you know if I hit their nose what if I
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break it or what if I kick him in her
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ribs you know I might break nuts that
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was my thought so I couldn't hit in a
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person you know in the streets and
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finally just it clicked over I remember
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um my brother Darnell was picking on me
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as usual and something just clicked and
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he says something and I just lit him up
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from top to bottom and that was the end
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of it you know the younger brother
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became the big brother and but I was
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just wired like that I just you know I
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embraced it I just loved it but you know
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it was it was a rough childhood but you
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know molestation I was molested when I
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was a kid you know I was homeless you
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know as I grew up you know I had to wear
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a second hand-me-downs just a typical
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you know horse story but at the end of
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the day what I've found is I wouldn't be
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any person any of the person that I am
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now if I hadn't went through those
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things so and you know more so than that
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everybody's been through something you
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know you know you talked to somebody
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who's been through something's and
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something traumatic to them that's the
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most traumatic thing they've been
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through you can't compare it to yours
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right it you know you can identify what
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this is really worse for that person who
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went to know that's the most traumatic
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thing they went through so everybody has
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been through something okay so and I
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begin to understand that so now moving
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forward to where I am now it's it's
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helping me to be the person that I am
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good bad ugly whatever I wouldn't be
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that person if it took any how long did
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it take you flex to shift your mindset
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like that because I imagine you know and
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I have a you know there's a lot of
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similarities and your story as my story
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growing up
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I grew up in an abusive home we also
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know what it's like to be on food stamps
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and Welfare
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my real father committed suicide when I
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was seven so I I can totally relate to
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your story in many ways and I
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I carried a lot of animosity to in early
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years and it took me a lot of growing
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before I started to piece that together
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and almost become grateful for what I
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went through because it it made me into
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like this piece of iron I feel like that
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I wasn't afraid of anything else because
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of all the shit that I went through do
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you remember that that transition for
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you and did you also kind of carry a
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little bit of a tomorrow yeah so you
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know one thing I left I was suicidal as
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a kid you know first time I tried to
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commit suicide I was 13 12 so uh and I
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continued throughout my life and even
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into my pro you know career where I'm
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winning all these shows and making all
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this money and you know seven story
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house was my first house I bought on
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Venice and you know Harley in a driveway
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and I actually took our lot and I think
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I had an Esso 500 and a BMW you know
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just kids that didn't have it crap you
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know so but I'd go out you know I
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remember I go out when the owner classic
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come back home and try to kill myself
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you know just I would you know so I was
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also a police officer in Fresno for a
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while so I I loved guns I loved weapons
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you know I was trained with weapons and
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you know my martial artists who I owe
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everything to time McGwire you know he
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was just a very militant you know person
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he believes in like you know adventurous
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stuff like being able to make your own
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water out of bad water you know taking
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we caused it go back have you go back
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always ready and your weapons that you
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he's one of those type of guys so he
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trained you that way in martial arts so
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um I just I remember you know the things
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that I had to go through and to answer
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your question I don't I don't actually
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know when it clicked because I'm aware
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that I created this alter-ego not not
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knowing it this flex wheeler guy when I
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got bigger and stronger and all that
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stuff so I didn't really take crap for
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anyone and I was quick to give it back
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to him I wouldn't start it but I'd be
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really quick to make it happen so if you
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want to make it happen I'm like you know
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I'm like the weather you walk outside
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and it's sunny you know take your jacket
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off you know you it's cold put your
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jacket on that's the way I was you know
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back then just yeah whatever yeah
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whatever you want to make happen I'm not
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gonna make it happen but if you wanted
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to I'm gonna instigate it and try to you
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know accelerate as much as possible so
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not knowing this kid who got abused a
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lot you
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no that's where this flex wheeler
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character came to play and as I started
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identifying tonight and actually meeting
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people you know globally who was very in
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tune in that type of stuff they'd be
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like there's a few of you in there and
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I'm like you mean by that you know and
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then you know meeting some considerable
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people not really friends but people
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really close to me like you know there's
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there's like six of you and I'm like f
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you mean by that but I would grapple
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with it no matter what ever happened to
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me whether I greet which or not go back
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to you know to my own whatever and I
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grapple with my thoughts about that so
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right around like my late 20s it was
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late for me because I was so wrapped up
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into trying to be this person to try to
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be as good as I wouldn't identified
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anything so but um I would probably have
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to say I really really clicked with me
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in my mid-30s and I was the last time
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that I not last time but actually one of
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the closest I ever came to committing
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suicide I you know I've been going
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through my whole childhood and you know
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the more people know it the bad thing
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about it is you start getting annoyed
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because people think you're faking
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you're not gonna do it I would not so
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you know what it does it actually Spurs
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you on to do it to prove people wrong
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you know people say oh what about your
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kids what so your thought and that is
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the quicker I pull this trigger I won't
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have to worry about that so it's trying
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to force you into doing it and you know
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and you're going through all these
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emotions oh my kids they're gonna be
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looking at my coffin is that all the
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dull you you realized and you
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graphically see all of it don't even way
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to make a go away is hurry up and pull
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the trigger I only have to feel this as
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long as you know I'm here Soperton pull
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the trigger so you know one of the worst
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times like you know what I'm tired of
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this you know so-and-so knows this
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person knows and they think I'm gonna
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prove them wrong I'm gonna prove them
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wrong I'm just gonna do it and for the
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first time ever I just heard this weird
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sound in me like yeah go ahead and pull
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the trigger so you can come be with me
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and I'm like hmm that's not what I want
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I just want this shit not to happen I
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just want to stay in that's not what I
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want and then I realized that's not a
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way out it's not a way out it's a ways
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in that you can never get out it's a
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freaking membership that you never count
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select members to hear you're a VIP at
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the worst party ever
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and is not gonna ever ever ever ever
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stop I'm like that's not what I want I
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just want this so what I realize is
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every day I wake up I have an
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opportunity of changing that and that's
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when it really claps start clicking for
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me like what's wrong what are these
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problems what do these issues and
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identify into and stuff like that so
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probably around my mid-30s did you did
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you work through all this like because
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when you talk about it sounds like it a
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lot of this is yourself did you not have
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to go to therapy or anything like that I
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mean you know I don't for me that just
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didn't work and it was probably the
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people in 94 when I got into my car
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accident you know it was a lot of riff
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behind that because of who I was and you
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know we thought we're gonna assume
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Mercedes and actually you know somebody
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I met before that dr. Dre you know went
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to a party with him so he ended up
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introduced me to his lawyer and she took
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the case like y'all take this pro bono
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you're gonna almost show you used to
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stand another blah blah blah
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because of how the car broke down and it
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came out to you know find out that
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Mercedes is one of the most aggressive
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companies you never sue I mean they'll
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just take you through I mean you can sue
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the Rolls Royce how many roses roses are
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out on the street how many Mercedes so
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so I mean I literally had to have ten
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put on all my windows I don't know how
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many windows in a house it was at the
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time seven seven storey I had to get rid
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of my Mercedes because they gave me a
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new one because you're trying to prove
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that hey Mercedes not safe so you can't
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own one
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so the Mercedes stretched it out and I
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remember hearing about there was like 11
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you know these big bodies we used to
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call them big bodies back in it right
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yeah so the 11 eighties big body
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Mercedes lined up down a freeway we're
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at a car accident and they came within
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10 miles of my actual speed 179 so they
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came at you know 176 and like any goes
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these people a mess around so what they
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end up doing is switching around like
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listen you destroyed our car you're
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responsible this side another drop your
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lawsuit or else what Connors who you and
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my lawyers like after a year they're
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like we're out of money we can't take
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this take it and the joke was they gave
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me a dollar a check so obviously to
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finish yeah so so yeah that's the first
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time I wasn't seeing a psychiatrist cuz
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they're like you need help
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you know just I know because my
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came back up killing myself here I am
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linen you know car in 1994 was 1993 was
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the best career that I ever had you know
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for pro so so for for pro shows ranked
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number two in the world just get from
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get on like was that when you want
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normal classes yep yep the felt was that
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that's a lot of people refer to that as
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the best physique right and bodybuilding
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history yes your presentation that I was
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93 when I when the owner classic the
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Ironman to Grand Prix yeah what a roller
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coaster then so you so I'm glad to fill
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in top of the world and in just bottom
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down so all those things came back about
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I'm checking out I'm just gonna kill
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myself how am I gonna get better I broke
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my neck c5 c6 I broke my collarbone my I
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was was fooling out my head my ear was
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ripped off I'm like how do you catch
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guys who were running a hundred miles an
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hour and you gotta be dead steel and
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they're gonna keep running a hundred
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miles an hour for months how do I so I
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just I checked out so my you know lawyer
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had me go see a psychiatrist
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psychiatrist and it was just a mistake I
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mean I for the first time I towed a
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person that how I was molested and all
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these things so he said up there for an
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hour listen to me just pour out things
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I've never told another person and he
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looked at me like that stuff happened a
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long time ago you need to get over that
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and I mean you know I was very big then
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you know and I was extremely violent if
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you pushed me and I just looked at him
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like dude I'll fuck you up in here I go
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nobody will never know yeah you know I
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will lock this door and beat you so I
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just walked out and I talked to my
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lawyer buddy he goes you know what a lot
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of times people get into that that this
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is because of their problems mm-hmm and
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she said what happen is you brought up
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something or some things that he's never
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gotten over and that's what he's telling
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himself just get over it just move on to
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happen before so I just was effed up you
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know so at the end of the day if you go
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see help if you go get a help you have
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to make that decision yeah I don't care
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what a person tells you you need to hear
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it and then use it right so I just kind
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of just really talked mice and I still
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do because I still have these issues so
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I'm on going
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you know trying to console myself with
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the man upstairs who's in control of
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everything and I think at the end of the
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day that's what gets me through
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everything
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I'm just gonna ask you what do you what
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is it that keeps pulling you back from
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that brink that keeps pulling you back
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to being here you mentioned now voice
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and you now mention a man upstairs is it
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is it your faith yeah it is I mean I I
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was raised that way and that's why it
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really messed me up when I heard that
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voice like yeah come be with me because
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after all of what 20-something years of
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trying to do this I thought it was just
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a way out and it just never hit me that
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way so I was raised that way I mean my
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grandmother you know raised me and she
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was just the most incredible woman I
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ever met I mean she was born in 1909 so
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imagine a black woman in 1909 would
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possibly she seen and she always raised
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me you know Kenny there's just good
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nurses back it's just good people and
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bad people she never said color so I was
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raised that way I didn't see color it
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seemed good in bet no I am aware that
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the world sees that but I just don't you
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know um so yeah I was raised that way
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not just what kept me rooted I think
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that's the main reason why I'm probably
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still here because what I've been able
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to do is a lot of the things I've been
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through I've been able to help other
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people and I can never never sit in that
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room with them I could never sit in a
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room with a person who's been molested
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or you know homeless or know what it's
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like to have to be hungry or you know
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suicidal or you know the diseases that I
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had the rare disease kidney transplant
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you know 11 11 surgeries and nine nine
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weeks I would never be able to sit and
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talk to somebody who's been through that
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unless I've been through it so I've
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really just tried to you know take
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everything that I've been through and
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try to help other people when he to me
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because your faith do you ever think
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that maybe you were put in this position
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of you know super popular bodybuilder
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and getting your you know so lots of
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people have eyes on you so that you
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could be that example so you're going
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through those challenges but you're also
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someone people can look up to yeah I
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mean I don't want to I don't I don't
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like it you know cause it's rough I mean
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life is rough right but I'm aware of
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that you know there's a biblical saying
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you know a light is put on a hill to be
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seen and I get that if you're for
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whatever reason if people are trying
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whether you're a star or a great athlete
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a movie star whatever you're that light
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way up on the hill people can see from a
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far distance you'll put there for a
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reason and I think that's the reason why
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we were put there and now a lot of us
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will take that power that we're given
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and misuse it I did my whole career but
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truly I that's the reason why you those
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are gifts I mean in a Bible it says I
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clearly fund people are given these
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gifts some people are given these you
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know so all of us has our gift we all
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have a gift this is to how we choose we
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just have the right to choose so 100
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percent I know that for a fact
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it doesn't bring me comfort because the
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reality is you have to go through that
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it's still hard but Lisa gives you some
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purple yeah it does it does and it's
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probably one of the greatest things is
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not the words I want or any money that I
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want or anything or crazy things it's
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it's hearing someone else that you can
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help because you know what it's like in
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a dark place and you know as a person
18:32
who just contacted me on the internet I
18:34
won't say his name but it was on
18:37
Instagram he just sent me a message
18:38
about you know he broke up with his girl
18:41
he's madly in love with her or she broke
18:43
up with him and he wants to kill himself
18:45
and I didn't I didn't really pay
18:46
attention to that message because I got
18:47
so many messages actually I just blurted
18:49
through it and just forgot about it
18:50
because I was busy doing other things
18:52
and and then I remember he sent me
18:54
another message just saying today's a
18:56
day and that caught my attention and
18:58
then I went back up and read all the
19:00
messages I'm like crap and I'm like you
19:01
know what's going on how can I help you
19:04
he's like you can't help me I just want
19:06
to let you know I just senior you know
19:07
your London real video that you just did
19:09
and you know you just really spoke to me
19:11
and it's just you know I just I heard
19:13
his voice you know was your voice saying
19:15
don't do it and I was like you know man
19:17
call me call me right now he goes no I'm
19:19
not gonna call you I'm just some white
19:20
kid from the hick town but you know back
19:22
east I mean back south and I'm just a
19:25
nobody and I said you know what I'm just
19:26
some black kid from the ghetto you know
19:28
I'm nobody either call me and I was
19:31
actually with my daughter I'm at the
19:33
time and he called me and we just had an
19:35
amazing conversation and very respectful
19:38
kid everything he was funny most coaches
19:40
yes sir
19:40
no sir you know it just broke my heart
19:43
you know I started crying too and a
19:44
phone with him but you know he's still
19:48
here and he stays in we stay in contact
19:50
and he's like you know I'm doing okay
19:52
today and
19:53
you know today in a good day I'm like
19:54
today and a good day for me man this is
19:55
what I'm going through and I'm like
19:56
don't think is ever going to get better
19:58
it's gonna go up and down like a bi
20:00
rhythm it goes up and down and up and
20:01
down you just got to ride it you know
20:03
you got to ride in it to this day you
20:04
know he has a home now and he's back
20:06
working and you know he's really
20:08
financially you know pretty well off
20:10
before all this happens so come on man
20:13
it's no money that's gonna bring that to
20:14
you you know or when you meet someone
20:16
and they say hey you know because of
20:17
this you went through I had strength to
20:19
go through this and I'm like and Here I
20:21
am when I look in a mirror I see this
20:23
weak person you know what I mean so that
20:25
empowers me when I hear stories from
20:27
other people like if you can affect them
20:29
like that how can you what's wrong with
20:31
you
20:31
you can't affect yourself that way but
20:34
yeah you know a lot of people that have
20:37
have got stories like yourself for
20:39
myself try and feel fill that void
20:43
with success and money and a man and
20:45
right and women sorry maybe I mean maybe
20:47
some guys know and and then there and
20:55
there comes a time when you kind of when
20:57
you reach that when it you have all of
20:59
that at your disposal you know do you do
21:01
you remember that do you remember
21:02
learning those lessons I do I remember
21:05
um I just bought another Mercedes an
21:08
Esso 500 and I was in a car for driving
21:13
down I think was Billy where we in
21:18
Hollywood Bel Air yeah barrel area and I
21:22
was me and my training partner Rico and
21:24
and I'm we're driving and you know got
21:27
the you know hooked a top off and hats
21:30
flip back because I was you know in a
21:31
beta and the days back then and and Rico
21:35
has always been you know he's always
21:37
been a leader of our club everybody
21:38
always thought I was because I won and
21:40
and he didn't win and he was still on an
21:42
amateur but he was always the leader you
21:44
know he probably wasn't aware but I
21:46
listened to him even I argued I went
21:48
back and did you know like he had said
21:49
and everything but we're driving it and
21:52
he was always more secure than me you
21:53
know I remember we all worked at Roxbury
21:56
famous Roxbury
22:00
interesting times so he was always very
22:03
comfortable with himself he was even
22:05
less off fine
22:06
than I was you know he drove old Datsun
22:09
280z so you got to remember this is like
22:12
94 and he's driving a Datsun 280z so you
22:15
know how old that is he was a big boy
22:18
sort of car lean to one side cuz he was
22:19
so heavy and it was just like you know
22:21
food all over the place but it didn't
22:24
matter he pull up to a girl in a Rolls
22:25
Royce and just spit at her I'm like I
22:28
couldn't do that I would have on my best
22:31
I doubt that I'm on my best clothes my
22:32
jewelry sticking out you know my top
22:34
back before I could even feel
22:35
comfortable you know and he just like he
22:39
was very comfortable this and I envied
22:40
him for that and a good way how can you
22:42
do it just so what so what she got a gun
22:45
nice car who cares
22:46
we be at the club he'd spit out the
22:48
a-list actress and I'm like dude he goes
22:51
her she don't want me go to the next one
22:53
my mine so we're driving and I'm like
22:58
Rico like money don't make you happy
23:01
doesn't and he turned that man he gave
23:04
me this eerie look and he's like town
23:06
flex you finally figuring that out huh
23:08
I'm like so because I never could go
23:11
nowhere without like at least four or
23:13
five thousand dollars in my pocket and
23:15
like I said to even feel comfortable and
23:17
talking to somebody I had to have all my
23:19
accessories because I had no self-esteem
23:22
no self-esteem so I want you to see my
23:26
watch on my car would ever respect that
23:28
and then because I own those maybe
23:30
really respect me that was me instead of
23:32
respect me because of who I am and be
23:35
tossed at a person I am NOT my status is
23:37
just because I'm a person I didn't never
23:39
had that so is that that low fess
23:41
self-esteem that just really bothered me
23:43
and I stats when he clicked about money
23:45
don't mean crap yeah sometimes sometimes
23:47
well the worst things that can happen to
23:48
people they get what they what they
23:50
think that they want yeah and they get
23:52
it and they realize oh this is not what
23:53
it's what I thought it would be and then
23:55
where do you go from there yeah I think
23:58
you know even though I remember when
24:00
stock dropped and you know even recently
24:02
back in the like around 2007 2010 we'll
24:06
real estate just limit and everything I
24:08
was one of the people lost my house over
24:10
that crap and you just people were worse
24:15
than me and I remember another close
24:16
friend of mine Stan efforting who was
24:18
extremely I don't know if you heard of
24:20
them
24:20
we know if so not only yeah not only
24:23
financially strong he is intelligent
24:27
because you went to college for
24:28
everything he was just so sane and he
24:31
goes yeah I remember when that happened
24:32
you know I lost him I lost a I want
24:35
exaggerate but also it was multiple
24:37
millions overnight I I don't exaggerate
24:41
but I'm thinking he said something like
24:42
50 or 100 million overnight well and I'm
24:45
like what did you do and you're like I
24:47
got up went to work the next day
24:50
I'm like what do you mean he goes well I
24:52
work to get it I got my bat ass back in
24:55
gear and I went back and I worked and
24:57
I'm like but you remember he had these
24:59
other people with multi millionaires and
25:01
billionaires killing themselves so right
25:05
it doesn't make you happy now I've never
25:06
been to that status of money or whatever
25:08
but it's never made me happy I mean it
25:10
made me worse because then I can go out
25:11
and buy two things that pour it into
25:13
this big black hole you know that just
25:15
nothing ever filled and it's a huge void
25:17
it just sucks everything up that you
25:19
throw into it and when you throw these
25:23
things into it whatever it is you only
25:25
get a realization that you're worse cuz
25:29
that didn't work that wouldn't work she
25:30
didn't work you know that car didn't
25:31
work you know whatever I remember and
25:34
it's highly embarrassing but you know I
25:36
had a seven storey house in Venice in my
25:39
way of my way up seducing women was
25:44
having to go through my house so their
25:46
first level is where I pull into my car
25:48
and then you see my cars so and then you
25:51
walk through the door and it's a first
25:52
level and you know these paintings of
25:54
whatever and even got the next stair and
25:56
there's bedrooms and bathrooms you go up
25:57
the next row it's seven levels so my
25:59
this is really embarrassing but my my
26:02
seven my sixth level at the seventh
26:04
level house is my bedroom so as you go
26:08
through and you see all these things it
26:09
never went past my six level in my house
26:11
you know and that was my weight because
26:14
I didn't feel comfortable Who I am and I
26:16
remember sometimes if I was honest with
26:18
a girl they'd be like what what's wrong
26:20
look at you look what you do how could
26:22
you I'm like I don't see those things I
26:25
don't identify to none that I think none
26:26
of those things so it's crazy man
26:30
growing up and watching you and in in
26:32
the magazines and
26:34
all that would have never known you were
26:36
this deep of an individual would have
26:38
never known any of this stuff and you
26:40
know you wrote a book yeah talking about
26:42
a lot of yeah yeah yeah and I've been
26:44
often because like ten full that's
26:47
happened since the book and people like
26:48
write another one like I'm not sure if I
26:50
can handle that you know right because
26:52
it was really rough to write that book I
26:55
remember my ghostwriter who was like a
26:57
very successful writer in New York she
26:59
would have to take breaks to like you
27:01
know what I I'll call you in a couple of
27:02
weeks because we just yes you just so
27:05
but you know what um that's what I meant
27:07
by this alter ego that I can create it I
27:10
I found out it at a young age that when
27:12
people find out whatever your weakness
27:13
that's where we do a scared person or
27:15
intimidated person or whatever they're
27:17
gonna use it against you so I remember
27:19
being on stage and understanding that so
27:21
I was terrified
27:22
every time I went on States even if I
27:24
knew I was competing against guys I'd
27:25
just beat the next week that'll mean
27:26
shit they can beat you this week I'd be
27:29
terrified so and being terrified I would
27:31
actually project his different image
27:33
that was never me but it worked so if I
27:36
was on stage and I was standing next to
27:37
a guy tapped him on his shoulder maybe
27:38
show my legs like put my arm around him
27:40
and so my saw it probably looks like I'm
27:42
being arrogant like my legs are bigger
27:43
than yours but my analogy was if I put
27:46
my arm around him I just took your
27:48
attention off of me and put it on him
27:50
right and if I'm shaking my legs and
27:52
then I point out yours my attention to
27:54
switch that's what I'm thinking I'm
27:55
doing because that's how uncomfortable I
27:57
am about it but I just knew that I had
27:59
to put off this different Arabic about
28:01
myself because if people understood that
28:04
I was a clear person then they're gonna
28:05
look at like what's wrong and it staring
28:07
to you deeper you know let me give you
28:09
an allergy it's like you walk into this
28:11
house and a house is extremely clean but
28:13
it smells like shed you're gonna sit
28:16
there and just dig for it if you walk
28:22
into a house and it's it's mediocre
28:23
clean and it just smells brilliant
28:25
you're gonna sit down and relax
28:26
mm-hmm so that's my understanding on
28:30
stage if I'm own stays on my people no
28:34
matter what I look like first and after
28:36
I look brilliant like I own a place like
28:37
give me a once-over like alright what
28:38
everybody else looks like that's just
28:40
the way we are as people
28:42
and that's what I figured out and wildly
28:45
as a sound I mean just being as
28:47
you know unaware that I was doing it
28:50
that's what was going on that's what I
28:51
was trying to project let's see let's
28:53
talk about body building for a second
28:54
we're gonna change gears a little bit
28:55
and you know the 90s today is now
28:59
considered by bodybuilding fans as one
29:04
of the greatest decades of bodybuilding
29:05
you know they talk about the golden era
29:07
being the 70s but the bodybuilders of
29:09
90s they talk about them being just the
29:12
conditioning the size the competition
29:15
it was super intense let's talk about
29:18
that for a second what was that like
29:20
what how did you get into bodybuilding
29:21
and then what was that like coming
29:23
because you came out the gates and just
29:25
won everything that you touched right
29:27
out the gate yeah I don't I don't know I
29:29
don't happen I mean that's nothing am i
29:32
doing that's the man upstairs were you
29:35
training with Charles glass at the time
29:36
I was Charles glass at the time and Rico
29:38
Rico and sometimes Chris Cormier my
29:41
first personal actually yeah I was
29:43
trying to Charles glass Rico and Chris
29:45
Cormier as an amateur going into that
29:48
show and then turning pro so III don't
29:51
know man
29:52
III I have no idea how that happened I
29:56
trained hard like other people I just I
30:00
was just a gift that the man upstairs
30:01
gave me and you know I trained and put
30:04
some you know a lot of effort into it
30:05
and I was blessed to do it but my key
30:07
words I was blessed to do it you know
30:09
that's just that's like you saying boats
30:11
come on that guy I mean well I have I
30:13
have a pretty good guess though I think
30:15
that someone like you has found I found
30:18
a way whether you subconsciously did it
30:20
or not but found a way to channel all
30:22
the shit that you dealt with growing up
30:25
and you found a way to isolate yourself
30:28
and just one and I have the very similar
30:31
thing I've learned to apply that to Mike
30:33
my work ethic at work in business I've
30:35
been able to no matter how dark or bad
30:37
it is outside you know the darker
30:39
becomes actually the the better I would
30:41
be yeah at business yeah you strike me
30:44
as somebody like that yeah that's the
30:46
perfect example because I I always tried
30:49
to create my world as this harsh world
30:53
environment mentally but I could subdue
30:56
into this world and create and go
30:58
through all
30:58
kind of Hill I could train myself I can
31:00
diet and I created this alter world
31:03
where this is normal to be unhappy
31:06
eating this crap food going into gym
31:08
training every day this is effing normal
31:10
those people out there don't get it
31:11
they're effin wickles I mean they're
31:13
going to the movies and eating ice cream
31:15
they're effed up they're backwards so I
31:17
had to reverse everything but I was very
31:19
comfortable in that world and I knew I
31:20
did my best at doing that and you know
31:24
you're you're you're right by saying you
31:27
can sing a lot and in just home in I
31:29
mean that came from my martial arts it's
31:31
an individual sport and I think most
31:34
every sports are individual and together
31:36
you make it a bigger or team effort but
31:38
you don't you know it's I was able to go
31:40
through that I always identified that
31:42
these harsh environments like I'm used
31:44
to so I even used to still this saying
31:46
from this greater athlete I'm built for
31:49
this you know and I was a great you know
31:51
I don't know if you guys know who that
31:53
was but um damn I just thought of forgot
31:55
his name but I'm graduate at UCLA
31:57
football player Oh baseball player sorry
32:00
baseball player back when it was a ratio
32:03
to be he was a first great baseball
32:04
player what's his name yeah you all know
32:07
your eyes should know this often I can't
32:09
and it's at the tip of my tongue right
32:11
now and you know I didn't know it but he
32:12
graduated from UCLA played football and
32:15
ran track but he was a baseball player
32:17
just did a great movie about him a few
32:19
years ago yes I mean that's why it's at
32:21
the tip of my tongue right now it's was
32:23
it fifty four or what yeah yeah yeah
32:27
sorry I'm the sports guy - that should
32:30
be both embarrassed Jackie Jackie
32:33
Robinson yes and I was the same I'm
32:35
built for this you know he endured all
32:37
this for a bigger reason and I'm nowhere
32:39
near like him or as mental but the
32:42
things that I want them like yeah I'm
32:43
going to worse now you were a skinny kid
32:46
you have it you don't have a massive
32:48
bone structure but you have a very
32:49
interesting and very advantageous shape
32:53
to your muscles in your body when you
32:55
first started working out did your body
32:57
just because you said you were 98 pounds
32:58
on your height when you had to eight
32:59
high school yeah when you started
33:01
lifting weights did your body just
33:02
respond did you build muscle easily I
33:03
guess so but not not knowing it and I
33:06
remember you know at the local gym that
33:08
I went to
33:09
they allowed me to train there the
33:11
bigger and older guys would go like Jase
33:12
you coming here and you just breathe
33:14
await new girl but I didn't see that I
33:17
mean you know you don't see yourself
33:18
growing like that it's that old you know
33:20
effect you take a mouse and you put it
33:22
in hot water or a frog you put in hot
33:24
water drops out you put them in cold
33:26
water and slowly turns it up and it just
33:27
sits in both so you don't you don't see
33:29
that change in over every day and you're
33:31
looking at these greater people but I
33:32
remember these always throw like that
33:34
you know you just come in here and just
33:35
walk around the you girl or they're
33:37
recognizing that the talent right out
33:39
the day he had the talent and even more
33:40
so the genetics and I in my ignorance
33:43
you know is again as embarrassing it is
33:45
to say I remember them saying you know
33:47
when I was a teenager while you got
33:48
great genetics they're not looking like
33:50
is that is that like calling me black
33:53
[Music]
33:55
you know extremely embarrassing but I
33:58
didn't know what it meant
33:58
I'm like are you are you disrespecting
34:00
me I mean I'm almost like taking away
34:02
from your work ethic yeah so I just
34:04
looked at it as a slur because
34:06
unfortunately in that same environment I
34:09
would always hear like wow flex you're
34:10
great man you know too bad you're black
34:13
or else you'd be great one day and and
34:15
again because it was my environment that
34:17
I came from it's like man I guess
34:21
nothing I can do about that because I so
34:23
you know just not really honest but just
34:25
ignorant about the whole situation and I
34:27
didn't get upset I was just like geez
34:30
can't do nothing about it
34:32
you know like I wish I could you know so
34:34
is that same environment so I just was
34:36
taking it there just being you know and
34:38
send something derogatory again and in
34:40
the 90s you had it was an interesting
34:42
era because you had on the one hand you
34:45
had the very aesthetic type of
34:47
bodybuilders like you I could place Sean
34:50
ray in that category and then you had
34:52
the mass monsters it was really the
34:55
birth of the massive you know it was
34:57
that that era when Dorian Yates - second
35:00
- Lee yeah came back like 20 pounds
35:02
heavier yeah
35:03
and then you had Nasir and all those
35:05
guys and so it was that always always
35:07
that that that that conversation is that
35:10
the aesthetic is that the symmetry and
35:11
balance oranges is it the size what was
35:14
it like competing against Dorian and in
35:16
particular I want to ask you how did you
35:18
feel when Dorian
35:19
because Dorian you know I'm not gonna
35:21
lie it was very dominant
35:23
yeah then he tore his bicep and he still
35:25
and you would win these competitions
35:27
perfect scores - and with the perfect
35:29
score there's no symmetry there when arm
35:31
wanna and no no but you know that's it
35:34
knocking the guide during it's one of my
35:35
dish what it is it is what how did you
35:37
feel at the time when you were competing
35:38
and you're seeing this did you feel like
35:39
okay they're just this is just politics
35:43
you know I am it angered all of us
35:47
because at the beginning I was just
35:50
happy to be there i I didn't know
35:52
anything I mean I I didn't come from a
35:54
gym with magazines and all the side I
35:56
didn't know crap I didn't know you can
35:58
make money I didn't turn in pro okay so
35:59
what I didn't know anything so when I
36:02
won the owner classic you know and you
36:04
know my second pro show my second win I
36:07
didn't freaking know what was going on
36:09
you know I won the Ironman before
36:11
competing against the greatly Liberata
36:13
Oh Vince Taylor oh no I'm sorry it was
36:17
Vince Taylor that's right you beat Vince
36:19
Taylor's a rookie which Vince is one of
36:21
the greatest yeah so I didn't know what
36:23
was going on I thought okay this this
36:26
the Ironman it's a lower caliber so than
36:28
next weekend which is the Arnold Classic
36:29
he's a seasoned veteran veteran he just
36:32
you know kind of just F just went off
36:33
he's gonna come in and just wipe me you
36:35
know so next weekend it was Leela
36:37
brought in him so I'm like I'm about to
36:38
get my SS tour part I go plus you know
36:41
what my analogy because I messed up I'm
36:44
like they do made a mistake
36:45
they're gonna figure it out this time
36:46
I'm probably good last they're gonna
36:47
figure out I'm a wanker imma you know
36:49
I'm not really Who I am or anything like
36:51
that and it went in against both of
36:52
those guys and I'm embarrassed on stage
36:54
that I beat these dude you're kidding me
36:56
so you looked insane on that show - I
36:58
mean just absolutely it's crazy the way
37:00
you you you viewed yourself at that time
37:03
you know I bet nobody else with you know
37:04
that not only people thought you were
37:05
cocky if anything oh yeah 100% because
37:07
again I guess you know most introverts
37:10
they're experts on stage or in public
37:12
yeah because they're trying to hide that
37:14
you know I get it I know you know they
37:16
said that about Michael Jackson and
37:17
other great entertainers like that but
37:19
when you get out there you can't imagine
37:20
that they're you know uncomfortable I'm
37:23
uncomfortable in public Perry I'm in
37:24
comfortable in my skin no matter where I
37:26
am I'm uncomfortable so being on stage
37:28
and my chonies in front of the world as
37:31
a comfortable as it get ya against other
37:33
guys that
37:34
admired so I just didn't see that I
37:36
guess you can almost relate it to the
37:37
you know the beautiful girl in high
37:39
school who just thinks she's the ugly
37:40
duckling and she acts that way you know
37:42
but no III didn't only later that I
37:46
started kind of getting more aware of
37:48
who I am and my arrogance started
37:50
becoming even worse and I was my own
37:52
worst enemy but you know competing
37:54
against during my first time it was my
37:57
it was my first mr. Olympia in my fourth
37:59
Pro so it was different because
38:01
everybody else had competed against I
38:02
feel okay on stage within myself I'm
38:06
comfortable and everything but I didn't
38:07
filled them right I didn't I didn't fill
38:09
them next to me so my first time
38:12
competing it gets during I remember
38:13
thinking jeez I can fill this guy's
38:17
present and next to me I mean that's so
38:19
much space he's taken up next to me and
38:22
that's all I thought about it I didn't
38:24
think I was gonna win or anything like
38:25
that I I know after the show was the
38:27
first and only time I met the great
38:29
surge Olivia oh yeah also and it was
38:32
just like you know I was like shaking in
38:34
my boots you know and he were going into
38:35
the hotel together and he opens the door
38:37
for me goes you won that show and I'm
38:40
like thank you you know but I'm like I
38:44
mean mine I'm just happy to be do did
38:46
you notice I got second no but now I see
38:49
what he's saying because of the matchup
38:51
in a way the sport was at his time which
38:53
should have happened I can get that now
38:55
so as as Dorian started having um
38:59
injuries which it happens you know I
39:01
mean if you run a hard all day long you
39:04
know it's just like in a fight if you
39:05
got a gauge yourself don't throw
39:06
everything you know the first time you
39:08
know you got a gauge sometimes fast
39:09
sometimes slow but his analogy was go
39:12
hard all the time heavy as possible most
39:14
intense as possible so you run into
39:16
injury so he was winning with a perfect
39:18
score and I was a little still younger
39:20
than this but Kevin LeBron and and stron
39:22
Murray were more aware and vocalist like
39:24
listen okay if you want to with a
39:27
perfect score and you have no injuries
39:29
and then you have a injury that you can
39:31
see that's not perfect anymore and then
39:33
we have another torn muscle how is that
39:35
still perfect so as me and Kevin and and
39:38
Sean were kind of more I guess pleased
39:41
in to watch polls you know we're better
39:44
expressiveness of ourselves or whatever
39:46
we knew that he was
39:47
and so how can you beat us in posing
39:51
when you're not noted to be a better
39:53
poser than us and we look at the score
39:55
at the end of the day is five five five
39:56
five that's perfect
39:58
I'm like wow so honest for me I just
40:02
didn't say nothing I'd always just say
40:04
hey listen man you know what I'm going
40:05
for a second I'm trying to hold
40:06
everybody else off that was my WIPs and
40:08
I know it's gonna happen I just can't do
40:10
anything about it and me and Dorian got
40:12
along great
40:13
other than Sean ray and Joe and Kevin
40:15
Lynn and Doran didn't get along at all
40:16
so I didn't really want to be
40:18
disrespectful for something that this
40:20
man had no control over if they're
40:22
allowing things that happen why am I
40:23
gonna go and shit on his parade that's
40:24
not cool you know that's not respectful
40:27
you know so I would just try to take it
40:29
to him on stage I'm trying to beat him
40:30
but I understood what was going to
40:32
happen yeah every every decade in
40:34
bodybuilding has that rivalry right Lee
40:36
Haney had his Lela brada yeah yeah -
40:39
actually Lela brought it and rich to it
40:41
yeah woody kadhambari
40:43
yeah yeah and then you know Dorian had
40:45
you but there was also guys like Sean
40:48
and Kevin and later on Nasir yeah and
40:50
among those guys who who are the guys
40:54
that you always looked out for the most
40:55
to compete like who are the ones that
40:57
you were I guess most most repetitive or
41:00
imperative yeah impressed with on two
41:02
different levels personally it was me
41:04
and Sean because we knew each other and
41:07
we hang out with each other I actually
41:09
you know had the opportunity of meeting
41:10
him before I turned pro and he was there
41:13
talking to me when I turned pro and so I
41:15
in hindsight I I remember things he said
41:18
like oh my god man look you jeez I wish
41:20
I had arms like that just another and
41:22
also now past tense
41:24
he's done interviews where he's
41:26
personally said listen always know that
41:27
he was better than me he had everything
41:29
that I had and he's like four or five
41:30
inches
41:31
you know taller and about you know 20
41:33
pounds heavier I always knew I couldn't
41:35
compete against that so I would go
41:36
mentally towards him so but Kevin you
41:38
know was on the other side of the lake
41:40
and we would only hear about each other
41:42
because of zoning magazines then so when
41:44
he actually he beat me the year before I
41:47
turned pro so I knew of him and he
41:48
already defeated me when other people
41:50
had so I'm scared of him you know when I
41:52
went and competed against on for the
41:54
first time as a pro I won so that kind
41:56
of took that out of the equation so and
41:58
me and Kevin had a mutual respect for
42:00
each other when we finally
42:01
met each other he was a respectable guy
42:03
we hit it off we got along great and
42:04
everything like that so it was kind of
42:05
it was kind of a fun rivalry with him
42:07
because it was never no disrespect I'm
42:10
never doing an interview no Kevin said
42:12
something like you know I don't knock on
42:14
doors I knock him over and then in
42:17
another video I did I said you know I
42:19
hear you knockin but you can't come in
42:21
you know it was like nice stuff like
42:23
that so it was really respectful like
42:24
not like you know you like a piece of
42:26
shit just it was never that so we always
42:28
got along you know and even though I got
42:30
along with everybody on stage regardless
42:32
whether they got along with me because I
42:33
always understood that why why hate an
42:36
individual be mad at him he's just
42:38
trying to do the same thing you are
42:39
he's trying to feed his family and make
42:40
a living so why why do that and if you
42:43
don't get the place and you filled you
42:44
deserve don't cuss him out it disrespect
42:46
him if you really a man go talk to the
42:48
judges you pick him for you know if you
42:51
really want to be real but you're not
42:52
gonna do that because you don't want to
42:53
mess them up so I think that's a punk
42:55
yeah I mean that's a great point a real
42:57
champion is trying to win and I want to
43:00
beat the best guy in his best condition
43:02
so there's no excuse I just never got
43:05
that and I know a lot of people looked
43:06
at me like that and was angry I just
43:08
never like really so when you talk about
43:11
that person you're really showing your
43:12
weakness that's like me and you trying
43:14
to hit on the same girl so you know shit
43:17
about yeah and I'll use me as a bad
43:18
person I'm talking shit about you and
43:20
she's like spits your own game it's like
43:22
you identifying your weeks's you're
43:24
making it worse so I just didn't get
43:26
that about people I didn't get it I
43:27
didn't get it was it common was it
43:29
common to see beefs was it wrong or were
43:32
some of the most common beefs and hate
43:34
hate going back and forth between some
43:35
of the compassion I think Shawn Shawn
43:37
kind of rubbed a lot of people the wrong
43:38
way right he's he's just that type of
43:45
guy boom boom yeah well being vocal
43:48
don't mean you're right everybody you
43:52
know and he SS you know it doesn't mean
43:54
that yours is cleaner than somebody else
43:55
but he was that type of guy he admitted
43:59
that you know he thought that I had how
44:02
did he put it meant to weaknesses oh
44:04
that so that's why he picked on me
44:07
mentally because he knew he couldn't
44:08
defeat me physically and yeah which I
44:11
get it is it is a warfare but later on
44:13
after
44:14
war rape my book he's like I had no idea
44:16
that you've been throughout it I would
44:18
have never f with you because I wrote in
44:20
my book how mad I was you know and I
44:22
knew that we're a great friends so I
44:23
wrote that I was gonna knock on his door
44:25
when late not went on one late night and
44:27
I knew he would open it because we're
44:28
friends and I was gonna lock the door
44:30
and just beat his for hours so this is
44:34
how effed up I am and I wrote it in my
44:36
book I'm just gonna beat his ass for our
44:38
stop have a drink eat you know rest and
44:40
just convinced of whooping his ass again
44:42
lock the door and go home no one's gonna
44:44
know there's no video cameras in is
44:46
their cell phones it's gonna be his word
44:47
against mine
44:48
that's all mess though when you read the
44:50
book he's on I never knew that you had
44:52
issues like that I would have never
44:53
picked on that cuz I'm like yeah bro I
44:56
mean we're from different neighborhoods
44:58
you might say to one guy don't mean
45:00
anything but you even look at we know it
45:02
income from the wrong neighborhood just
45:03
looking at a guy is your fight right
45:04
when you're looking at we looking at
45:06
what's up what's up with you we're
45:07
walking toward you and you're making it
45:09
happen another way you look at him like
45:10
hi yeah you know so it's different but
45:13
I'm sound was the most vocal but that
45:15
was just this way of trying to combat
45:17
his weaknesses and all in actuality guys
45:21
ever like get into it behind in the
45:23
pop-up room I wanted to hurt him I tried
45:25
to hurt him a couple of times I was
45:26
stopped nobody else I'm really gutting
45:29
fights I think um back then he got
45:32
knocked out once by another amateur
45:34
he was just being disrespectful and he
45:38
took this guy's bent and his guy was a
45:40
trainer he was an amateur and Shawn was
45:42
getting ready for Olympia and he's took
45:44
the guys bench he was great and his
45:46
nickname now was the hammer you know so
45:48
we called him the hammer after that but
45:50
uh he took his bench and Greg approach
45:52
like a man I mean we talked but I'm
45:54
getting ready for Olympia you know so
45:58
you can't just mouth to everybody like
46:00
you know what I mean but that was just
46:02
him he was just that type of guy he's
46:03
extremely vocal I mean on the other side
46:05
of it I respect him tremendous as an
46:07
athlete I mean look what he did at his
46:09
age you know he was my color you know
46:11
gonna pee and he was smaller guy so I'm
46:12
like I looked up to him and I actually
46:14
learned how to pose from him I would
46:16
take his videos when I was an amateur
46:18
and I would watch this video and Dan
46:20
emulate and have my friend video caught
46:22
me trying to do identically the same
46:23
thing so in other ways I had tremendous
46:25
respect from I just didn't believe that
46:27
you had to be disrespectful to go hard
46:29
at a guy because you might be crossing
46:31
that line where we say you got to stay
46:33
on your own lane
46:33
you know you might get bent up your your
46:35
your your martial arts flexibility came
46:37
in handy with your posing with some of
46:38
your your opposing routines yeah quite
46:40
quite unique you got a lot of attention
46:42
yeah I you know what I just um for me
46:45
that was I mean doing the splits on
46:47
stage you know that was that was that
46:51
was crazy because you were the first to
46:52
do that actually I got to be honest I
46:54
wasn't Phil Hill yeah Phil wasn't Phil
46:58
Hill a stripper back in the day was that
47:00
Phil Hill was that someone else I don't
47:02
know if it was him I noticed a couple
47:03
other by but I don't know but Phil but I
47:06
met Phil when I was an amateur he came
47:08
and guest pose in Fresno and if you know
47:10
anything about him he has probably the
47:12
biggest quartz and just a history of
47:14
sport the wrong guy that's right yeah
47:16
and I um and I remember his friend you
47:19
know I was just looking I'm just like
47:20
you know just young a little kid I think
47:21
I was like maybe 16 years old in Defense
47:24
ago CID one I'm like terrified shake and
47:26
he goes hey man how you doing he's just
47:27
super nice he goes we're talking in my
47:30
closest friend my martial artist you
47:32
know instructor and mentor you know time
47:35
McGwire let me go swatch guys come on
47:36
haven't you know let's go some way so
47:39
we're talking he's like so you compete
47:40
huh he goes to you guys so we're tight
47:42
somehow we got into the splits you know
47:43
cuz he did it on stage I'm like how did
47:45
you do that he goes can you do it on my
47:47
count because you ought to try them like
47:48
who cares if I do it he goes try it and
47:51
I wasn't thinking about it and one time
47:53
I was on stage I you know I was going
47:55
into my routine and I just spun and my
47:58
leg started open I just went into the
48:00
splits and a crowd like raising like but
48:02
I'm a martial artist who gives a damn
48:03
everybody can do two splits I just
48:05
didn't think I was like that everybody
48:12
can do this listen more but that's true
48:13
I just um posed him was it was my way of
48:16
trying to communicate with the crowd I
48:20
always pick music for a certain reason I
48:23
would always come off with you know very
48:24
slow music because I understand when
48:25
slow music comes on people pay attention
48:27
they're quiet it's respectful right when
48:29
rockland rival music a hardcore you know
48:32
heart music or whatever is on people
48:34
were app right there up so it always
48:36
picks little music cuz that was my way
48:37
of saying you know shut up so that sit
48:39
down and listen I want to display
48:40
something
48:41
but I got it just like a movie you can't
48:43
have a slow movie the whole time you got
48:44
to bring him out hype they're also gonna
48:46
walk away you know dis inspired so the
48:48
last 30 seconds I would always switch
48:50
over to hardcore music or something
48:51
amped up or whatever the hardest you
48:53
know rap was back then because I went to
48:55
people go away app and I was just my way
48:57
of possibly yeah so I wanted I wanted to
48:59
ask you something that so I competed
49:02
right so I was I'm a pro men's physique
49:03
athlete and I was told before I got into
49:08
it that all politics this politics that
49:10
right and when I was in politics in
49:13
right just tell me that and everything
49:15
right I mean even a husband and wife
49:17
what is it I mean it's politicking going
49:19
on right which is why I didn't it didn't
49:21
scare me away in fact it only motivated
49:22
me more to like prove to everybody watch
49:24
me do this all by myself with no coach
49:26
or no team now my first experience with
49:29
it
49:30
a feeling it was my first first-place
49:33
win my first first-place win was in
49:35
Sacramento and in Sacramento that I
49:37
didn't know any of this at the time but
49:39
I take first place and then I'm going
49:40
for the overall and when I walked up to
49:43
you when the overall and I'm a very
49:44
objective person so if I see another guy
49:47
that I think and I'm sure yeah the same
49:49
way that's got a better physique it's
49:50
like respect yes right right and I'm
49:53
getting ready to walk up against for
49:55
these two guys overall wise and it's
49:57
it's not even close I should be I'm
49:58
gonna walk away with this sword and I'm
50:00
pretty sure I'm gonna get it right and I
50:02
don't and I'm like what the fuck has no
50:04
idea and then I get everybody coming up
50:06
to me afterwards and they go like you
50:09
know you know who the two athletes that
50:10
you were going against from who they are
50:12
right I'm like no they're amateurs or
50:14
nobody I know right they're like well
50:15
they both are jeremy Buendia and hani
50:19
ramrods athletes this is their FBF
50:24
athletes this is a Sacramento show Hani
50:26
is the number one sponsor for this show
50:28
and so I got my first taste of all this
50:31
is how that works
50:33
yeah did you have a lot of this did you
50:35
see a lot of this and can you explain to
50:37
people exactly that yeah it happens and
50:41
like we just clarify what doesn't it
50:43
happen in whether you know it or not
50:44
what doesn't happen and somebody else
50:46
getting raised and you sort of or you
50:48
know even in police officer my friend
50:50
you know always deserve to be a
50:52
detective but he never did because you
50:54
know everybody didn't like him as much
50:55
and finally got it so let's be clear it
50:57
happens in all aspects of life this is
51:00
no different sorry our sport is no
51:01
different than that I I didn't really
51:05
have it happen to me as an amateur I
51:07
don't know why I just flew under the
51:10
radar when I got to a pro I ran into it
51:14
and it was it was is it's documented now
51:18
I remember a great writer Peter macguff
51:20
you know wrote about me and Kevin
51:23
competing and I always wonder why why
51:25
does Kevin you know can bat me so well
51:27
because I didn't really think he was the
51:29
my worst adversary physique wise but it
51:33
would be a lot of shows that he would
51:34
wind that I would be competing I'm like
51:35
wow so we used to say hey he's one of
51:38
those East Coast guys all the judges
51:40
from the East Coast you know they get
51:41
more love and we're over here on the
51:43
west coast and you know we don't get
51:44
that much love so I always felt that
51:46
away but I I see it more prevalent now
51:49
it's especially with social media let's
51:54
let's talk about now I mean you follow
51:56
the sport now I'm yeah you yeah I do
51:57
okay so remember all the names and in
51:59
and honestly it's just is different now
52:02
I know what would leave the broader
52:05
because I remember him telling me when I
52:06
was still compete honey we go to shows
52:08
no more I go why he goes you know if
52:10
you're competing I come to see you but I
52:11
just is different
52:13
you know and so they're disenchanted you
52:15
know I remember even you know you would
52:18
know who the USA champion was I don't
52:20
even know who won for the last ten years
52:21
and no one does and even a champion no
52:25
disrespect to know it's just facts I
52:27
mean it's just my opinion it doesn't
52:29
mean I'm right I'm wrong you asked me a
52:31
question is my opinion let's clear that
52:32
but that champion we're going to do
52:35
something very quickly you got guys now
52:38
who turned pro and they don't even do
52:41
well as a pro that means he probably not
52:43
meant to be up there with them yet
52:44
you're not pro quality yet so well back
52:47
in the 90s the the and I've heard this
52:49
argument all the time but I was a fan
52:51
and I compared him all the time and I
52:52
see in the 90s you guys had there was a
52:55
lot of size but there was insane levels
52:57
of conditioning yeah
52:58
and it doesn't seem like the guys today
53:01
although they're massive and they got
53:03
the big old bubbly muscles in AUSA
53:04
they don't seem to hit the same level of
53:07
conditioning that the guys in that 90s
53:08
did yeah
53:09
is there a difference in was it the was
53:11
it the Doretta cues was it that they
53:13
some people got you know because you had
53:14
Paul delet cramp up onstage Frannie was
53:17
my roommate for a while yeah what's his
53:19
name andreas Munster passed away and he
53:21
was really andreas monster was from
53:24
because I competed with him it was from
53:28
it was from a drug that helps us said Oh
53:31
Mel sorry Mel yeah that's why yes it's
53:33
not really a diuretic what it's its side
53:36
effect is is that it stops you from your
53:39
blood from thickening when you're
53:41
bleeding let out exactly when he got on
53:43
the operating table because he had a
53:45
problem before then so when he open him
53:47
up just like they don't want you to take
53:49
aspirin before surgery so that was kind
53:50
of the situation with that once they
53:52
open him up since systemically things W
53:54
had what's his name but Bennett Siva
53:56
yeah he died on stage yeah what were you
53:59
guys using different different
54:02
substances or more direct and they are
54:03
now was it the diet like well because
54:05
you guys were shredded I mean in hard
54:08
very very grainy looking yeah they don't
54:10
have that same quality it seems today
54:12
yeah what's the difference so the
54:14
difference is those diuretics are still
54:17
out there but there's better ones now
54:19
mmm technologies come on you talking
54:22
twenty thirty years now he's better so I
54:24
think the problem is is that just a
54:27
homework wasn't put into it you and I
54:30
can relate this to every sport you got a
54:32
guy who the kid wants to play baseball
54:34
basketball he's trying to learn a
54:35
crossover is just that nothing you don't
54:37
even know the basics they don't care
54:38
about the basics were you know back in
54:41
our era we respected Arnold and the
54:43
people who came before us for we
54:44
understood the hard work I used the same
54:46
and we would we would we knew that is
54:48
gonna take a couple of years to get
54:50
there talk to any kid in bodybuilding
54:52
right now he i'ma turn pro next year I'm
54:54
AB in Olympia really but it's not just
54:56
that you look at high school players
54:58
they think they're you know have the
54:59
respect of a pro ball and you're acting
55:01
like it so I don't think that work and
55:03
respect is put down like we did I mean
55:05
you know it this is what I found when I
55:08
got in a min sneak I was floored by yeah
55:11
I'm so I'm very transparent about my
55:13
steroid use and how I am right so I'm
55:16
very open about it
55:18
and one of the things that I was blown
55:20
away by was I met them at the men's
55:22
physique level the dosages that were
55:24
still to this day we're blown away I was
55:27
like cloning I mean I took 250
55:29
milligrams I peaked at 400 milligrams
55:32
and I was told when I hit stage that I
55:35
was looking too much like a bodybuilder
55:36
so I had to bring the dosage down and
55:38
then I talked to of all these kids that
55:40
are getting in and they're taking grams
55:42
of shit and I'm like to be immense
55:44
physique
55:45
well yeah fuck yeah it's shocking
55:47
because when when men's physique first
55:49
hit you know we were blown away with
55:51
their condition I'm talking to stride it
55:54
back like mine was and I'm like so to
55:57
see some minutes like that's not by
55:58
design yeah you know I will that is by
56:01
design that's not by genetics because
56:03
they're just drying out sort of like wow
56:04
these guys are gonna have a tough time
56:07
in about five or six years when he you
56:09
know it's a sport old enough we're
56:10
problems you're gonna start having
56:12
because well you know unless you're you
56:14
know unfortunate like Mohammad or
56:15
something like that and even him it's
56:17
not his first probably time of ever
56:19
cramping right I mean just I guess they
56:22
caught like a drug do a drug person
56:24
who's taking drugs chasing or high so
56:26
they're chasing that high they probably
56:28
run into some problems but they beat it
56:29
so they know they can go up to that
56:32
limit are they comfortable so you keep
56:33
pushing that envelope and that's what
56:34
anything but I'm floored that the doses
56:39
that they use because I mean I even
56:40
remember in my time other guys say man
56:43
when you guys stop taking a candy and
56:45
I'm like candy and it would explain what
56:47
they're taking like I'm okay with the
56:50
candy I guess you know but I did start
56:53
going harder as I got older but even
56:56
those doses are I mean it's nothing
56:57
compared to the guys taking now and so
56:58
to answer your question as far as a
57:00
different the difference is I think you
57:02
know that hard work and it's come on I
57:05
mean it's hard to be a pro body I mean
57:07
everything 24 hours a day videos and
57:10
everything got to be on point
57:11
not just your upper body it got a match
57:13
and just I know they got a flow so you
57:14
gotta have the right matches and left I
57:16
mean it's it's rough and that don't
57:17
happen overnight listen I mean you know
57:19
a 16 year old to 16 euros 1/2 facial
57:23
hair and one don't that's just their
57:25
gift but it took you 16 years to get
57:27
there so how are you gonna accelerate
57:29
you know to be coming to this man
57:31
in a Superman and then what we would
57:33
jokingly say you know it is demigod
57:34
within you know a few years so that's
57:37
rough and it's a lot a lot a lot a lot a
57:40
lot of hard work and dedication and
57:43
perseverance I just don't really think
57:45
that's there now and I don't think they
57:49
have to go to that degree because
57:50
there's other categories so that you can
57:53
you don't have to go that hard I'm not
57:55
saying that Jeremy or anyone else don't
57:57
go full tilt of what they're doing but
57:59
it's not where we were you know and you
58:01
know god bless I mean I'm happy that
58:03
they have all these physique classes now
58:05
because now you're you're not forcing
58:08
people to be try to come something that
58:10
they weren't you know you even go back
58:12
to say you know even though I say
58:14
certain things about Sean I respect him
58:15
from other take him and put a 212 class
58:18
he would have never never never never
58:19
lost so I didn't compete over to 15 so
58:23
imagine him back then if there was a to
58:24
12 I'd be a 30 time mr. Lampe he he's
58:27
beating some of us at times so I think
58:30
they're smarter now and having all these
58:31
classes I don't look bad at it it's
58:33
smarter now because you're not putting
58:35
people in positions where they have to
58:36
put themselves in such harm's way but
58:38
that's your choice if you went there
58:40
because you don't have to like you said
58:42
really men's physique I mean when it
58:44
first started you can go out and look at
58:45
a Beachbody guy right just a real pure
58:48
guy who's just surfer beats he's gonna
58:50
look like mint condition right that's
58:52
what I thought it was it was for a
58:54
minute yeah so so probably your look of
58:56
what they said you were being too big or
58:58
looking like a bodybuilder a better
59:00
men's physique guy would wipe that look
59:02
away right now oh yeah no it's it
59:04
evolved to that yeah it definitely it so
59:06
I could when I came out and it's funny
59:07
too because I heard this this story
59:08
later on long after it not long but a
59:11
year or two after I left competing I was
59:14
talking to one of the judges I had a I
59:16
had an athlete a competitor that was
59:18
competing him it had a chance to talk to
59:20
him and I walked over said hi to him
59:21
introduced myself and goes oh I remember
59:23
you and he tells me the story of my very
59:26
first show where I came out in the in
59:30
the morning and when I came out in the
59:32
morning I didn't even come out first
59:35
call out and it was and I came with it
59:38
so I trained really hard long I've been
59:40
training for 15 years building my body I
59:42
came in dialed and my I have a lot of
59:44
pro buddy
59:45
and coaches and my theory was I want to
59:48
hit stage as an amateur already ready to
59:50
be at the professional level I gotta
59:53
stop you right there that was one of my
59:55
analogies and even with my my team that
59:58
I work with guys now and that's my you
60:00
want to stand on stage as an amateur and
60:02
have the judges look at you in like just
60:04
kid don't get him out of here he's Pro
60:05
quality that's when you're ready to go
60:08
on stage as a pro that's that's how I
60:09
feel I felt like I had so much raising
60:11
so much work to put in before I even get
60:14
it on the station and everyone try to
60:15
tell me like oh you need to get the
60:16
jitters out and you're posing it's like
60:18
I don't even want to get up there go up
60:20
there if you're not ready yeah I don't
60:22
want to do that right that's how I felt
60:23
and so I get up there knowing that I had
60:26
a dawn already yeah dominate physique
60:28
and then I don't get call out in first
60:30
call-outs and so I'm like what the fuck
60:33
in the night show they jump me to first
60:36
call-outs and I get placed fourth place
60:38
which those that know about competing
60:39
know that if you don't finish in the top
60:40
three doesn't qualify you for nationals
60:42
I'm effed up if you don't finish first
60:44
you just lost right so and I'm pissed
60:47
about it but I'm like whatever it is
60:48
what it is and I'm it's my first show
60:50
but I get a chance to talk to this judge
60:52
and he remembers me because of the
60:54
arguments behind the behind scenes about
60:57
my physique and he any name drops and I
61:00
promised him the on radio I would never
61:01
never roll the judges under under the
61:03
bus yeah but 100% they they wanted me to
61:06
come back was my first show they wanted
61:08
me to pay for another show and show my
61:10
face again or your dues pay my dues and
61:13
they weren't gonna place me in the in
61:15
the top three they give me one spot out
61:17
from that even though arguably I
61:19
probably had the number one physique out
61:22
there so yeah it's pretty it's pretty
61:24
crazy to see and then I see I don't know
61:27
if you saw recently what happened with
61:29
Mark Bell mark Bell just competed no
61:32
okay so mark Bell I know who he is
61:34
though but I didn't so Mark Bell just
61:35
competed he's a longtime power lifter
61:38
guy I know he takes a lot of gear he
61:40
definitely does not have a bodybuilders
61:42
physique and Hani was his coach and he
61:46
took first place on his in his first
61:48
show really yeah yeah you have to check
61:50
it out on Wow yeah check it out I was
61:52
hoping you'd seen it so we could talk
61:53
about it
61:55
I know all the other brothers yeah
61:57
because they're mostly our power lifters
61:58
right yeah yeah yeah I know oh yeah yeah
62:01
so you know you see you see a lot of
62:03
that going I feel like that's happening
62:05
more and that's why I was curious when
62:07
you were I think today you you when you
62:09
when you go to compete and you have a
62:11
million followers on Instagram or you've
62:13
got a huge social media following you're
62:15
you're gonna get looked at more and
62:17
maybe win as a result I don't think in
62:19
in bodybuilding that's not gonna work
62:22
because they can bat each other you
62:26
might be able to make more money or have
62:28
more what I call a draw right you know
62:31
cuz people ask me all the time you know
62:32
how can I get a sponsorship well what's
62:35
your draw what do you mean by that do
62:36
you walk in a room and people migrate
62:38
told you that's what people are looking
62:39
toward to spin because they might quote
62:41
migrate towards you then they can cross
62:43
spin out over to their product so
62:44
whatever it is you know you have to have
62:46
that what we call you know when you walk
62:49
in a room you have presence X Factor
62:51
yeah yeah or X Factor so so that's not
62:54
gonna work so much because they really
62:56
combat each other nerves and that
62:58
there's never been and I don't think
62:59
they ever will be a person who has an
63:01
amazing state I have some friends you
63:03
know a really really good friend of mine
63:06
and he's just off the chain would you
63:08
know his physique he had competed before
63:10
his Ulysses right you know 5.3 million
63:12
followers right and we had a chance to
63:14
talk finally after knowing each other
63:16
from were almost you know two decades
63:17
you know we talked and hung out you know
63:19
in England we were there and he just
63:20
spit the whole game to me Internet wise
63:22
I'm like wow is that and eCos just - a
63:25
business you know you can make a
63:26
business out of this but he competed you
63:29
know he competed in a different level he
63:31
won all the time but it wasn't because
63:32
you look at his physique he won because
63:34
of that so his physique helped them be
63:37
better as an Internet personality but it
63:39
won't cross over and help you be a
63:42
better athlete because it's judged
63:43
differently no one cares about how many
63:46
followers you have let's use the example
63:47
you know Ronnie Coleman I think he has
63:50
like maybe two million followers come on
63:52
he's the king Ronnie will always be the
63:54
king I hope I'm alive and hope is safe
63:57
to look at the person who beats his best
63:59
physique ever I mean I just don't
64:01
foresee that but what was that what was
64:03
the time I Ronnie what was that like you
64:05
were supposed to win
64:07
I remember I was like I said I was a big
64:09
fan oh shit Dorian's you know he's
64:13
retiring flex wheelers gonna be mr.
64:14
Olympia yeah out of nowhere
64:16
cuz Ronnie I think before that was like
64:18
Panther something yeah like you Zevon
64:19
seventh-place yeah
64:20
then comes Ronnie and he looked like a
64:23
completely different person and he wins
64:25
what was that like to see that that that
64:27
change and then you know not when you
64:29
know I mean it's you know it's the first
64:33
talk I bought it on your show but I
64:34
gotta be honest
64:35
we knew what's gonna happen I mean you
64:38
know the year before that me and Ronnie
64:40
have always been super close you know
64:42
you just you just some guys you just
64:44
meet immediately you guys just hit it
64:45
off yeah some guys you just know ain't
64:47
gonna never like you and I don't care
64:49
and I want you to know it is just I
64:50
don't know why yeah so me and Ronnie had
64:53
always been very great friends you know
64:55
traveling all over the world and this
64:57
dot and other competing and you know
64:59
it's been talked about and he's
65:01
acknowledged to it he finally can news
65:03
like man look you know I'm tired of
65:04
getting my ass what you doing you know
65:06
cuz Ronnie was always natural that's one
65:08
thing a lot of people didn't know Ronnie
65:09
Tony Pro and competed as a pro naturally
65:12
for a long time you know what I used to
65:14
leave that and that was that's fucking
65:16
true it's true I have heard that too you
65:18
know you do you know what happens when
65:19
you take a guy like that and then
65:20
fucking put them on some gear hence back
65:22
to what I said before putting in the
65:24
hard work there you go there so same
65:27
thing with Kai green yokai green very
65:29
well it was natural for a long time
65:30
competing until you know whatever so
65:33
Ronnie came to me and I'm like okay
65:35
because III learned from people so I
65:38
never been F taught like damn I go tell
65:40
him you might beat me one day so we sat
65:43
down and I laid the whole game work down
65:44
and next year
65:46
he started doing well I remember he
65:48
actually beat me in the first
65:49
competition ever and we're over in
65:51
Canada and he beat me I'm like but I was
65:55
I was off right I was off but he's still
65:58
in it you know and it was funny because
65:59
he was talking about I got like damn
66:01
flex because we're good friends right so
66:04
he's like damn fights I beat you damned
66:06
it they must think I'm good I beat you
66:09
so it's not like man I beat you it's my
66:12
boy talking to me right something like
66:14
Ronnie you're good so the next weekend
66:16
you know we end up competing again and I
66:18
was in Florida at the
66:20
Cup Florida Pro Cup and I end up winning
66:22
and there was a big show the following
66:24
weekend a knighted champion back in
66:25
those days and he's right on my SS and
66:28
he's never never never been in a
66:30
call-out with me I mean he's been like
66:31
third or fourth call-out and I've always
66:33
been called number one so I'm like huh
66:35
you know and then you know I beat him in
66:37
that so and then the following year I
66:39
watched his physique change we were
66:41
working at the st. was working with the
66:43
same person for our diets and you know
66:46
chat Nichols and Chad had actually told
66:48
me goes Wow Ronnie Ronnie can't handle
66:49
your diet I go what do you mean he goes
66:51
because I go zero cars for a long time I
66:53
can just do that I don't go into what
66:55
they call ketosis ya know it's really
66:59
dangerous um hypoglycemic all right when
67:02
you don't have enough cars I can just
67:03
handle it for whatever reason he goes
67:04
yeah drop run you down to like 200 you
67:06
know grams of carbs and yeah I almost
67:08
passed out he goes I'm sorry I can't do
67:10
it is IDO so his low was like five six
67:13
hundred I'm like everybody's different
67:14
right but I just watched him change and
67:17
Chatwood send me pictures of Ronnie
67:18
getting ready you know and I'm like god
67:21
dang we still think we'll you gonna beat
67:22
him cuz you're save just another but I'm
67:24
like so I remember being on stage 1998
67:28
and you know I was in the first call out
67:30
I think Ronnie was in the third call out
67:31
we never even met each other on States
67:33
but I remember watching him and standing
67:35
behind him like God dang and I you know
67:39
here he is doing a crap pose in his back
67:41
to stride it from top to bottom is loose
67:43
and I'm thinking myself what did they
67:45
miss Inwood him you know he looks better
67:48
than I do
67:49
Oh oh my fuck I hope they don't catch up
67:52
and fight Freitas out right so you know
67:55
whatever happened so you knew it was
67:56
coming yeah and I mean it's been talked
68:00
about before and I gotta be honest
68:02
regardless who I upset or not I mean
68:04
it's it's noted but um I had got I
68:08
signed with another company fifteen days
68:10
before that Olympia so I left the wieder
68:12
organization and I joined this company
68:16
called biochem and me and me and Ronnie
68:18
took a ride back we took a ride back
68:20
because we had to do our little pictures
68:21
after to prejudge and we took a ride
68:23
back he's like wow man you know Joe
68:25
Weider
68:26
you know sat down and talked to me I'm
68:27
like cool man no big deal he goes flex
68:30
up in a promo I'm gonna you chill weed I
68:32
never even said my name
68:34
like well shit he should look I see
68:36
Ronnie so I'm like you know so he goes
68:39
well he offered me a contract just a kid
68:42
to take it so we actually end up taking
68:45
a taxi back to preach I mean to the
68:48
final so he's like man I sign I sign
68:51
with Joe Weider I'm like hell yeah good
68:52
for you Ronnie
68:53
so mmm Wow so like I said he wasn't he
68:57
was in call-out 3 and I was in call out
69:00
one so if you look at the score it's I
69:03
have five five and his gotta be like a
69:05
seven or a nine or something like that
69:07
so mathematically it was weird because
69:09
the next two rounds were supposed to be
69:12
it's no one who can beat me at that time
69:13
and I was posing because I was a great
69:16
pose and Ronnie's not really noted as a
69:18
great poser and then pose down which is
69:20
just the the presence you create and I
69:23
was kind of I was kind of pretty good at
69:24
that so but he perfect scored me in
69:26
those and end up winning by two points
69:29
and I was like wow so just after he
69:33
signed the contract yeah so that was
69:36
interesting well that would've been a
69:38
great example of that politic shit I was
69:40
talking to you about you lost to the
69:47
yeah I mean went on win yeah dominate so
69:51
my I wasn't mad at that and I knew I
69:54
asked off that show I I knew I do it I
69:56
know I could look better I mean I used
69:58
to dress in great Michael Jordan you
70:00
know training gear so that I can go to
70:02
the strip club right after training hard
70:04
so I could still look this and I just I
70:05
wasn't there I had that mentality that I
70:08
could never be number one hey listen if
70:09
you show up at the Arnold or the Ironman
70:12
or anything else I'm a handy or ass but
70:13
dude I was just had a mental block about
70:15
the Olympia I just never Percy like I
70:16
didn't accept myself as number one so he
70:19
won that show and he deserved to you
70:21
know the next year I came in actually 15
70:25
pounds heavier that's so that's pretty
70:26
hard to do when you're in your prime to
70:28
come in 15 pounds heavier and in better
70:30
shape and for whatever reason he kind of
70:32
missed his peak you know he wasn't there
70:34
so back then we were really close with
70:37
each other rather I wanted to beat you
70:38
or nodded other person we were close we
70:40
talked we hung out and we traveled the
70:42
world together it was not like now so
70:44
immediately when we take off our clothes
70:46
backstage we know what's going on
70:47
you know we have a look at you like yeah
70:49
so did you take your clothes off we
70:51
already know you know who's the
70:52
challengers not so you know I got
70:54
undressed we're working out and Ronnie
70:55
finally get undressed like oh my god you
70:57
got up so everybody's run out to me back
70:59
you got him you got his ass I got him
71:02
right so a golf and stage and you know
71:05
big story is he perfect scores me so I'm
71:09
like so that's the year that I took off
71:11
my medallions stayed so but it hit me it
71:15
hit me it finally dawned on me like okay
71:18
I'm better than that so my thing was I
71:22
took off these medallions because I'm
71:23
sure you seen it at a show before where
71:25
a person to reward it first and another
71:27
person reward it second oh we made a
71:28
mistake but meanwhile the person who
71:30
took second he's pissed and a person one
71:33
it's like oh we made a mistake number 1
71:36
goes to 2 and number 2 goes to 1 and all
71:38
of a sudden her atmosphere changes to
71:40
guy who thought he won now he's pissed
71:41
the guys thought his lies he feels like
71:43
a champ why because I'm a dying because
71:46
what they put her on your neck because
71:48
of what they said all right so it all
71:50
came me right then I'm like I'm not
71:52
number to this this represents number
71:54
two I'm not number two I'm number one
71:55
you're not gonna make me feel like I'm
71:56
number two so that's all it was and then
71:59
I went to Ronnie and everybody's like
72:00
what did you say to him when you knew
72:02
down like man I love you congratulations
72:03
and I jokingly said you know if I could
72:05
be at you after party right because why
72:07
why would I go I'm pissed I'm hurt why
72:10
would I go and my best friend just want
72:12
to mr. Olympia and I'm gonna go there
72:14
and soak and look around and make him
72:15
feel uncomfortable take your ass home
72:17
yeah you know so I went back to the
72:19
hotel with my people and we ate pizza
72:20
you know so I can be myself so but I
72:23
just realized that but it helped me
72:25
because if I would have won if he would
72:28
have won by one point or two points
72:30
again I'm like I can chase that down I
72:32
can go harder but by him winning by a
72:35
perfect score like I okay he's out of
72:37
reach now it's just it is what it is so
72:41
what my job is now is to hold everybody
72:43
off a second place instead of chasing it
72:45
so but you know just reality came to me
72:48
that now pro bodybuilding for for a long
72:51
time has been you know obviously very
72:53
competitive but also a sport where
72:54
people attribute a lot of the success of
72:57
the athletes to things like anabolic
72:58
steroids and insulin and growth hormone
73:00
and all that's
73:01
right let's get into it it wasn't a
73:03
Hello your water well you already did
73:06
talk about Ronnie Coleman fucking being
73:08
natural and kaya because I know that's
73:10
been a rumor of no room yeah but that's
73:12
fucking and and we and we talk on our
73:15
show a lot about that that you know
73:17
people they look at these competitors
73:19
and they think it's just the drugs it's
73:20
like you have no idea all the genetics
73:23
and the hard work that those people have
73:24
to push no Ronnie everything I'm open on
73:28
a pro level I don't talk to amateurs
73:30
about it and I don't talk to this to
73:31
anyone about it because I'm on I
73:33
understand that would I my words have
73:35
power
73:36
and if I say certain things of what I've
73:37
done every kid's gonna run off and take
73:40
that thing they're gonna be in your neck
73:41
so I can't do that sure but on a pro
73:43
level I'm very honest with anyone who
73:44
asked me so there's many pros who are
73:47
competing now and retired I told the
73:48
exact same thing why is it that Ronnie
73:50
had changed his own metamorphosis he's
73:52
just that guy he had that inside him and
73:55
it was just waiting to explode that was
73:56
his gift nut you can do about you know
73:59
my brother Robert you know he competed
74:02
natural all this whole life and he's
74:04
always told me you know in here I am
74:06
flex wheeler so he knows I knows
74:08
everything he's never asked because I
74:10
want to stay not so I'm like stay
74:11
natural man good for you
74:12
everybody who looks at him things like
74:14
come on dog you know he's on something
74:16
man he's your brother you know you
74:17
coming to invest he's natural and you
74:19
look at his physique I'll give you guys
74:21
this Instagram later he's naturist guys
74:23
who just have that gift it is what it is
74:26
oh man I've known guys I've run gyms for
74:28
more than half of my life and I've known
74:30
guys to take a gram or more of
74:33
testosterone a week who don't look like
74:35
shit literally like you you look at him
74:37
and they don't look like almost anything
74:39
at all yeah and then I know guys that
74:41
there was just one guy used to work for
74:42
me I talked to my I talk about him all
74:44
the time on the show he was up he was a
74:45
porter so I clean the you clean the
74:46
bathrooms and stuff and this dude didn't
74:48
have much money he we did a pop-tart for
74:50
breakfast cheeseburger and he'd go to
74:53
school crushers with two for 225 you
74:56
know 19-inch arms yeah and I was just
74:59
like that's insane
74:59
but something happened in body bill
75:01
might be sent in pop-tarts they got a
75:04
video but then something else happened
75:06
in bodybuilding were for a long time it
75:08
was substances that made you build
75:10
muscle you know testosterone their
75:11
derivatives growth hormone insulin and
75:13
then all of a sudden people started
75:15
inject
75:15
an oil that did nothing but make you
75:17
look like her right synthol did that
75:20
start happening in the in the 90s
75:21
there's a lot of speculation that guys
75:23
like I think was Ernie Taylor and other
75:25
people were using him because their arms
75:27
look so crazy yeah yeah is that one that
75:29
started to enter the scene a little bit
75:30
yeah I think it was I think well my
75:32
awareness came in and he said doesn't
75:34
mean that it wasn't in the 80s but I was
75:36
in any 80s oh I can't even claim I mean
75:38
you know Arnold and everybody else even
75:41
though Arnold missed that he's took
75:42
things could you ask me I wasn't there I
75:45
wasn't in this era so I don't know that
75:47
right so I was in a 90s I'm a word
75:49
that's when I first heard of it but
75:51
before then it was a better one called
75:54
in cycling that did everything even
75:57
better you didn't get to bloat or
75:58
anything like that that's the one you
75:59
inject and it makes you swallow yeah
76:01
yeah yeah but all the stories and stays
76:02
so there it was one before that and I
76:04
was aware of that one also I remember
76:06
reading about that Kevin LeBron bought
76:08
the entire entire stock how expensive
76:17
that was you had to do it like right
76:19
before you on stage right it's like
76:21
backstage just like a hundred shots up
76:22
and down your body so so yeah synth roll
76:26
and I think it had a whole bunch of
76:27
other names came to play and a lot of us
76:30
use it I'm very open that I use it back
76:31
and then I want to try to see what
76:33
happened and everything do you think it
76:35
helped your physique or hindered no I
76:36
think it hinder back now even my
76:38
athletes now who want to auto mihaela
76:40
and you got to go get somebody off then
76:42
because I can't be your guy I'm just I'm
76:43
not there I just I don't believe in
76:45
insulin I don't believe in doing
76:47
anything or having a person take
76:49
anything that if you mess up just a
76:51
little you die right so insulin is one
76:54
of those things mess up just a little
76:56
you can have the greatest surgeons right
76:57
around you're dying systematically
76:59
things are gonna fill diuretics is next
77:02
in line but you can control that just
77:03
don't just be smart but you got to
77:05
understand this if me and him go to the
77:07
you know to the club and you know he's
77:09
like he's more of a drinker I'm not like
77:11
alright we're gonna start with this
77:11
we're gonna start with that and you know
77:13
his third one he feels great my third
77:15
one my second one in my blood alcohol
77:16
and I'm about to pass out everyone is
77:18
different so don't take some to discuss
77:20
somebody else did but so the whole there
77:25
what is it a central team mm-hmm that I
77:30
think it was a bad thing for the sport
77:32
but cuz it's not muscle that's argument
77:35
I'm glad you said that so my thing is is
77:37
you know people like oh you took synth
77:38
online huh okay Wow
77:42
so what's the difference with steroids
77:43
quote-unquote cuz if you use the word
77:45
steroids it's pretty permanent my son
77:47
when he was a kid you know he's a little
77:48
boy he was on steroids yeah ass so I can
77:50
collect all the steroid yeah so I can be
77:53
an ass and talk steroids so that's why I
77:55
use his words birth text and I'll Sports
77:57
technology drugs because it's very
77:58
technical you know and use it for sports
78:01
reason so so that's my curse like wow so
78:06
that doesn't belong to him that's why
78:08
he's bad I'm okay what's the difference
78:10
with steroids soon cuz that ship belongs
78:12
to him so I know that there's certain
78:16
quote-unquote steroids that you can use
78:19
and it caused an inflammatory bull
78:21
effect and certain places where you
78:24
injected it causes that effect and
78:27
people use it for that same reason for
78:28
muscle hypertrophy so what's the
78:31
difference yeah it's all it's all using
78:33
technology - so it's addiction no way
78:36
you look so but I still don't agree with
78:38
the whole in cycling thing because it
78:39
actually does more damage people have
78:41
had heart attacks
78:42
oh really and yeah because it's an oil
78:44
so eventually that oil the body has to
78:46
absorb that oil and I know for you know
78:49
Oh didn't Melo's search it didn't you
78:52
have a heart attack or something
78:53
what's it mellows um it was a few other
78:56
guys I don't want to say their name but
78:58
I know it wasn't me loss because I mean
78:59
there's some people pass away from it so
79:01
you imagine that thick oil that doesn't
79:04
go anywhere it doesn't go anywhere it's
79:06
so thick and if you understand you know
79:08
how the body is the muscle fibers are
79:10
tiny
79:12
hence why we couldn't use certain drugs
79:14
that they use for horses remember back
79:17
in the days with a lot of drugs that
79:18
people use that they use for horses cuz
79:20
Wow horses incredible they're muscle
79:23
fibers are you - right so that oil can
79:25
go through that but so it would just sit
79:27
there so people get these use what did
79:29
it call it access abscess and everything
79:31
they went after our body parts cut out
79:33
so
79:33
it just doesn't make sense to use it and
79:36
when you asked about myself before I
79:38
used um I tried it in my shoulders
79:40
uh in my arms and I just want to see so
79:43
my arms actually start tearing this
79:45
again so it always did my second you can
79:46
see stretch marks now all through my
79:48
forum so it always tour because I'm
79:50
naturally a skinny skinny guy but what I
79:54
seen is is that you know it's my skin
79:56
start tearing more and it started
79:57
looking more bloated and whatever and I
79:59
don't have you know the separation that
80:00
I know we have something like oh it's
80:01
not working for me
80:02
you know I won't use it anymore but but
80:05
everyone has these gifts you know we
80:06
used to say you know like you know he's
80:08
a dope monster you know or he's a quad
80:11
monster or look Quadzilla because
80:13
everybody has their gift so me I'm
80:15
always armed dominant you know even as a
80:17
kid you go back if you're a historian go
80:19
back and look at my kids all has bicep
80:20
triceps and balls that was it and and
80:24
still now so people are you synthoid I'm
80:26
like okay I use a lot of crap you know
80:30
are you still using I'm like really why
80:31
could you all look at your arms they
80:32
don't look real I'm like wow so even now
80:35
cross rates in every so what they said
80:38
is even now you know like you're retired
80:39
you still young like really when I do
80:41
that like ah you you just figured out a
80:43
way to inject a oil deep to the muscle
80:47
that destroy Isis doesn't go out like
80:48
yeah
80:49
so as an ass Stan you know stand up for
80:53
you you know white rhino is what I call
80:54
had his joke and so he does this video
80:57
yes we created this great oil instead
80:59
flex s perfected it please contacted it
81:02
let's make some money off of this
81:04
thousands and thousands of I had to do a
81:07
rebuttal I'm like he's joking you dick
81:10
so guys but it showed me how many people
81:13
really so anyway hmm body Billy's always
81:17
been that that you know it's it's a its
81:19
first of all a lot of people enter it
81:21
because they either feel bad about
81:22
themselves or want to build an armor
81:24
it's a very solitary sport it's
81:26
extremely competitive and people are
81:28
always trying to take you to the next
81:30
level and I always I've always said this
81:32
the good and the bad let's talk about
81:33
the good like bodybuilders are the
81:36
pioneers of learning how things affect
81:39
the body that the pioneers about how to
81:40
we saw is to work your diet little white
81:43
in an in backyard absolutely absolutely
81:45
so I mean a lot of these Olympic
81:47
athletes and stuff they have a lot they
81:48
should think the bodybuilders for being
81:50
that they do the pioneers for for trying
81:52
a lot of this stuff what do you think is
81:54
going on nowadays I see all these body
81:56
butters going over the Middle East and
81:57
gaining like 30 pounds all of a sudden
81:59
yeah is there something that we're
82:00
asking everybody like oh you know I
82:02
don't know I mean I know all of them I
82:04
know the owner I've been to the gym
82:06
before and I hear these rumors that you
82:07
know they started making these jokes and
82:10
jokes always come from somewhere aweso
82:11
anabolic chicken so it's a joke that you
82:14
know they're putting more anabolics in
82:16
it and a chicken whatever but you know
82:18
so my thing about the drug thing as
82:20
we're talking about it I'm like you know
82:22
let me blow your mind here here's my
82:23
thought on it my argument always was you
82:26
know if we use we use to try to better
82:28
ourselves to take care of our family to
82:30
make a means and we're pretty healthy we
82:32
more aware over the body why is it not
82:34
acceptable and later on it became were
82:36
you know testosteron became a
82:38
contraceptive mm-hmm I'm like oh okay so
82:41
now it's okay to give a man you know
82:44
testosterone at a certain level because
82:45
it's a conscious act like really so you
82:48
assholes just figure out a way to make
82:50
it better when you want but how do you
82:52
make this better
82:53
I like how many people how dangerous is
82:55
quote-unquote let's continue using word
82:57
steroids sure us it's more well known
82:59
how dangerous is it oh so dance really
83:01
so I can give you an overdose of any
83:05
steroid and overdose you're not gonna
83:08
die if it's your first time overdose
83:10
you're probably nothing's never going to
83:12
happen to you if you overdose a lot of
83:13
times later on in life you may have
83:15
complications of your Liberty the kidney
83:17
I can give you an overdose of aspirin
83:19
and kill you I can give you an overdose
83:22
that's sugar and I can kill you dead I
83:24
can give you an overdose of alcohol and
83:26
I can kill you dead birth control is
83:28
more dangerous birth control is a form
83:30
of steroids because some women back in
83:32
the old days used to use it because
83:33
birth control as women though they all
83:35
come in different strengths and you got
83:38
to figure it out and same thing I'm gay
83:40
overdose of birth control and kill you
83:41
so really what's more dangerous so it's
83:45
not about what's more dangerous is
83:46
what's acceptable so I'm like okay so
83:48
drugs and they're bad how about alcohol
83:51
oh because they can so League I'm like
83:54
wow I remember a point in time when it
83:56
it wasn't legal but they figured out a
83:58
way to make tech stuff so it's legal so
84:00
it's not as dangerous because that fine
84:02
remember correctly alcohol has killed
84:04
more people than anything and other
84:06
people's people other people's kids and
84:09
children and husband is and why so go so
84:10
why is that still okay you know let's
84:13
talk about cigarettes my argument
84:15
against against anabolics has always
84:17
been what people ask me should I use in
84:19
my arguments always well if going off of
84:22
them and see what's gonna be the tough
84:23
part in May this physiological aspects
84:26
of going off of them and mentally it and
84:28
the mental yeah the mental I don't know
84:30
how many a lot of people are not
84:31
prepared or at least the types of people
84:32
who are prepared to take anabolics to
84:34
change their body forget competitors
84:36
you're not even on stage because most
84:37
people have taken a bollock steroids
84:38
don't even compete yeah
84:39
those people that take them are the same
84:41
people who are gonna have the hardest
84:42
time going offshore mentally to watch
84:45
your games go away a lot of stuff and
84:46
then of course you know know physically
84:49
and mentally it's gonna be the worst
84:50
thing but I just want it quickly because
84:53
I want to be too long on it's alright
84:54
thing is cigarettes we've known them to
84:57
have the most deadly things in them why
84:59
can they still sell them the Surgeon
85:01
General says right there that this will
85:02
kill you've caused but it's still there
85:04
let's go deeper cocaine
85:07
why don't you chase it people who do
85:08
that I get it because if you chase those
85:11
people even end up at the CEO of some
85:14
great company or some congressman or
85:16
some president of some so oh I get it
85:18
now so it's not about how bad it is
85:20
it's about what demographics that you
85:22
guys put it at because right now we
85:25
already know that cigarettes and alcohol
85:27
it's a top of the list but steroid is
85:29
banned and it's bad and boohoo and all
85:31
this other but it's okay that you no
85:35
disrespect to anybody because my thing
85:36
is I cut your own backyard mmm-hmm
85:38
alright so you understand cut your own
85:40
backyard but now saying that for a
85:42
person who goes out and get drunk drunk
85:44
off their ass is not worse for them
85:46
because that's actual drug for them they
85:48
can't do it out right and you have
85:50
alcoholics which you know for a very of
85:52
different reasons or person who smokes
85:54
we know that it's a change but it's a
85:55
drug but those aren't worse but they
85:58
look at our sport or any sports that
86:00
utilize you know sports technology as
86:02
the black widow of everything oh it's
86:05
like what you said it's because it's
86:06
illegal so there's a stigma that's
86:07
around it and but it's the iron more
86:10
that looks like it is legal right what
86:13
we talked about we talked about
86:14
marijuana when you first walked in I
86:15
offered you a joint you said okay and I
86:18
mean that's a perfect example I mean
86:19
look how harmless that is and that's
86:21
been illegal forever it's been a stigma
86:23
around now they probably got it right
86:25
thing yeah it's all about who they it's
86:27
all about perception I mean look here's
86:29
the deal you talked about cocaine
86:30
earlier the penalties for crack are far
86:33
higher than the penalties for cocaine in
86:36
fact who uses cocaine and who uses cry
86:38
and so it's in a studies on that on TV
86:41
it blew me away it's all about who
86:42
they're trying to target that's all and
86:43
ever since yeah and you're an athlete
86:45
you're on TV you're representing all
86:47
that you know how that actually really
86:48
happened is we were because you know
86:50
thankfully during my era it was never
86:52
illegal it's a class three felony now I
86:54
am I'm not a great person but you know
86:56
as far as knowing knowledge but I was an
86:58
officer before I graduated from posts in
87:00
a 86 and I worked for the Sheriff
87:02
Department so I'm aware of some things
87:04
so back then I remember my teachers my
87:07
instructors ask me about the drug and at
87:09
that time it had just actually at that
87:11
time it had just got to where it was got
87:13
about two big class three and I warned
87:15
him like you know this coming down as a
87:16
class through okay nevermind but before
87:18
I was not a class three we can travel
87:19
with it it's a class three now and the
87:21
reason why is because unfortunately it's
87:25
very very popular right extremely
87:28
popular so and to give you historically
87:31
it was actually back in a Hitler days
87:33
when it was invented right those one of
87:35
the first testing of that the SS troops
87:37
they gave them drug to be able to do
87:38
things that not too I wasn't there at
87:41
the first Olympics Hitler was hence the
87:43
drug was so all since then I remember
87:46
watching football and baseball and you
87:48
know these boys are just big old country
87:49
fed boys with 23 inch necks you know
87:52
just really I wasn't there but I knew
87:55
that drug was there but my point is you
87:57
know actually I lost my daughter let me
88:02
know okay I got I got it so my point is
88:05
is it's not about that it's it's a
88:09
deeper thing than a you know the whole
88:11
drug thing it's not about it I mean our
88:13
number one saying here globally is take
88:16
two aspirin and call me in the morning
88:17
we're a drug population take two aspirin
88:19
and call me I don't want to deal what
88:20
you take to Aspen and see what happens
88:22
that's the drug right there
88:23
and it's just the way it is but it's sad
88:25
yeah don't don't even you don't get me
88:27
started on that it's it's it's it's the
88:29
most insane assault on humanity to throw
88:32
someone in jail for doing something to
88:33
themselves
88:34
that's very stretch and Irish ended on
88:36
what I was going to get at is the reason
88:37
why I became a class three felony and so
88:39
indicative now us because it got
88:41
involved with cocaine and heroin and all
88:44
those drugs so the same sellers who are
88:45
selling cocaine heroin and I start
88:48
selling steroids because it's very
88:50
profitable mmm
88:52
they don't care about the drug they care
88:53
about profit so when that happened in
88:55
the Mafia start getting and it's selling
88:56
it high it got on that radar interesting
88:59
interesting I wanted to ask you how your
89:02
you just recently competed in a classic
89:05
competition I want to ask you about your
89:08
health because I know you had you had
89:10
mentioned earlier in the episode you had
89:11
to have kidney replacement and people
89:14
I'm sure ask you all the time I know the
89:15
answer because I'm familiar with you but
89:17
for our audience a was it due to any
89:21
anabolic steroid use or your
89:23
bodybuilding lifestyle and then be how's
89:25
your health now in regards to now it's
89:27
completely doing my sex have it I you
89:29
should just do freaky things no I mean
89:33
no you know it's it's the disease it's a
89:36
focal glomerulus courses from don't know
89:39
how I contracted I I'm aware of it a
89:41
little bit more but it's it's aggressive
89:43
most aggressive and deadly as kidney
89:44
disease known a man there's no cure to
89:46
it we all passed away from our disease
89:48
unless we get a kidney transplant I've
89:51
actually met parents who had teenagers
89:53
who are on their third and fourth kidney
89:55
because it's rabbits their new kidney so
89:57
I'm really fortunate to be here 15 years
89:59
later on the same kidney and everything
90:02
my my health is great and I knew that
90:04
there was gonna be a very big stigma
90:06
about me coming back and compete alcohol
90:08
you just I got ripped apart oh you got a
90:10
plus you got a new kitten you're gonna
90:12
go and F that off again you know great
90:13
for you you know look I wouldn't be
90:15
doing if I didn't know I could you know
90:17
in a way that I could do it so but you
90:20
know to get into that I I wanted to do
90:22
it for a bigger reason you know to go
90:23
back onstage again earlier because what
90:26
we talked about I've met so many people
90:27
all over the world who've been through
90:29
really really dark times and been you
90:32
know as we say in a military you know
90:33
I've been out in dark waters you know
90:34
really deep dark water
90:36
you know and you just imagine yourself
90:37
being out in the middle of the ocean and
90:39
his deep in his dark and there's nothing
90:40
around you and that's a lifestyle that a
90:43
lot of us has lived so I remember joke
90:45
insane I'm never gonna compete again
90:47
because I've been in a fight with Jason
90:49
and Freddy Cove and they both whupped my
90:51
ass at the same time meaning I have so
90:53
many scars all over me from all my
90:54
surgeries I'd be too embarrassed but
90:56
after meeting people who had worse scars
90:59
than me
91:00
you know and it would ask me you know
91:02
how do they live and people you know
91:04
have worse you know transplants to me
91:06
and on 3rd and 4th transplants
91:08
everything I've been through back sorry
91:09
knee surgery and all that stuff like wow
91:11
I need to make a stance you know for
91:13
these people so it was never about me I
91:15
knew I couldn't compete against these
91:16
young guys I point-blank said I cannot
91:18
beat these young cats it's gonna be an
91:19
honor to stand on stage with them but I
91:21
got to do it for a bigger reason and it
91:23
was just my way of trying to show people
91:25
hey listen if I've been through all this
91:27
and I can stand up here my ratchet ass
91:29
ripped all apart and say hey I'm still
91:32
trying you have no excuse but I can't
91:34
say you don't have no excuse unless I go
91:36
do it so as we said before people giving
91:39
certain gifts or whatever I knew that
91:41
was just something I had to do for
91:43
people who just have just I mean for
91:45
some of us it's just hard waking up the
91:47
next morning or you wake up like okay I
91:49
made it through today I'll kill myself
91:51
tomorrow so that was my way of just
91:53
standing up saying hey listen I'm still
91:55
fighting and if any of you have ever
91:57
invested any power in me and said hey
91:59
you did it maybe I can then Here I am
92:02
standing again hey I'm doing it maybe
92:03
and health is good now everything else
92:06
is great yeah I mean so my numbers are
92:08
getting worse but I'm on my 15 years so
92:10
what might would a kidney transplant
92:12
period even if you don't have my disease
92:14
I think the average is seven years that
92:16
you can live on it before it starts
92:18
declining and from there it's based on
92:20
your donor so all my factors were
92:24
actually worse because my donor was a
92:26
woman so obviously a woman is not gonna
92:28
sustain a man's body right doesn't work
92:30
that way and she was very pratik so it's
92:34
a smaller kidney and we almost like so
92:36
you lost her kidney on the table they
92:38
told me because she was so petite that
92:40
her main artery was too short to fit
92:41
inside me so they had to take another
92:43
artery out
92:44
to make that happen or else they would
92:45
have just put her kidney back in me
92:46
inherent so I would have been it so and
92:49
then about um about three months after
92:52
my transplant I had a I got really
92:54
really sick I got the flu
92:56
so the thing about a kidney is we have
92:58
to take anti like like medicine
93:05
immunosuppressants yes immune
93:06
suppressants yeah so when you get sick
93:09
your body amps up to be it off this
93:12
disease well the problem or the sickness
93:14
the flu or whatever are coughing coal or
93:16
whatever so your body doesn't recognize
93:18
anything except what it's meant to be in
93:21
it so it looks at the kidney has a
93:22
foreign body so as I get sick and my
93:24
body amps up with these immunes to try
93:27
to build up my immune system is actually
93:28
attacking the kidney so what they do is
93:30
based on how sick I get they then make a
93:32
decision that I got to go in a hospital
93:34
and they're trying to kill off the flu
93:35
without trying to kill the kidney and
93:37
it's a balance but it does damage the
93:39
kidney because they got a win net so
93:41
when that happens that weakens kidney so
93:43
anyway long story short is hearing I'm
93:45
almost 15 years later and my cratan and
93:48
level is I just had it checked actually
93:50
a couple of days ago was two point seven
93:51
so two point seven is not great but my
93:54
new number once I got my kidney
93:56
transplant became 2.0 fresh when my
93:59
kidney was a strong he's only got 0.7
94:01
0.7 in all these years yeah 0.7 but you
94:05
know one of the biggest things that the
94:07
telltale sign in know now and look for
94:09
with this disease is if your lis leaking
94:11
protein so now at all these euros up
94:14
until last year I was leaking zero
94:16
protein so no one's at plus one so it's
94:18
starting to climb so of course the
94:20
kidneys starting to fill but I mean
94:21
after 15 years I remember talking to the
94:24
doctors when I was in the hospital and
94:25
they ran a 24 hour hour so I mean why
94:28
urinated for 24 hours they took my blood
94:30
for 24 hours and I like and I remember
94:32
of cinnamon I'm ruined I'm sick as a dog
94:34
and I'm like you shouldn't be here and
94:36
I'm like yeah I know and it goes no it
94:38
goes your kidney is functioning at 70
94:40
percent and this is 14 years later 70
94:43
percent is function he goes some people
94:45
don't even function at 70 percent with
94:47
both kidneys and it goes you know you
94:50
know wow this is great I go no it is and
94:52
it's just a man upstairs you know that's
94:54
just his will
94:56
you can do about that yeah whatever but
94:57
still I'm like whatever you I get it so
95:01
I'm not sure what the numbers are now
95:03
but I know now I'm leaking 0.1 where
95:05
when I had kidney failure I was at 16
95:08
grams which is deadly well so I met one
95:10
now so I know it's climbing but you know
95:13
I mean it never meant to happen to be
95:15
here 14 years later when an average of
95:17
seventeen seven years and Here I am
95:18
going into my 15th year and I still feel
95:21
fine I still look good but I know my
95:23
numbers so I know it's coming you know I
95:25
know it's coming but I've always known
95:27
that that is gonna be coming I thought I
95:28
was gonna be a lot sooner you know I
95:29
thought it was gonna be around three
95:31
years
95:32
you look healthy you look good that's
95:34
great now it's just a man upstairs I
95:36
mean yeah have you now do you have to
95:38
our youth are you still on HRT you do
95:41
you think yeah I am so I can't go off
95:43
yeah I was gonna ask you that because
95:44
it's so this is something that I fucked
95:47
with steroids and I shared this on the
95:49
show I fucked little steroids a lot when
95:50
my early twenties not knowing what I was
95:52
doing yeah forever impacted me but I
95:54
didn't really didn't really catch up to
95:56
me until I turned about 30 and I
95:58
wouldn't got tested realize that my
96:00
horrible Levela 200 200 yeah it was
96:02
better than mine oh wow your semester
96:04
evany nine oh wow yeah yeah joked he
96:07
goes your son who's three years old
96:10
that's more tests I don't care you know
96:13
my thing was and I'll let you finish my
96:15
thing was like I've been sticking myself
96:17
for over half my life I'm good I don't
96:20
give a damn but 79 I go I don't care and
96:22
you know my libido is not as crazy as it
96:24
was before but I should have never been
96:26
where it was I gone comfortable this I'm
96:27
just out here yeah yeah so I'm the
96:30
reason why I'm asking this I'm just
96:31
curious for myself because I'm still so
96:34
I at thirty I went on HRT 31 or 32 ish
96:40
was when I actually decided to compete
96:41
and when I competed that was when I
96:44
started to ramp my dosage up so I was
96:46
taking a very mild dose in my early 30s
96:48
and then and it got any competing as I
96:51
started to ramp up I started to take a
96:52
higher dose and like I said I never
96:54
really got over 400 milligrams of
96:56
testosterone which is not very high but
96:59
I did consist more than that right right
97:01
right so they do these days it's crazy
97:03
to me but I did consistently take that
97:06
you know with no breaks or anything for
97:09
over 4
97:09
five years straight Wow you didn't come
97:12
off no and and now I've been off for
97:15
over a year and trying to naturally
97:18
bring it back up and I'm still kind of
97:20
in the floor I'm not are you right now
97:22
I have so we have a Everly well as a
97:24
company that were sponsored by that does
97:26
like an at-home spit test and so they
97:28
don't use this the same okay but in
97:31
their range I'm considered in the low
97:33
normal so I've actually broke into the
97:36
quote unquote normal so what I probably
97:37
think if you were to compare it to the
97:39
test that we're familiar with blood
97:40
where it's four hundred to about twelve
97:42
hundred yeah I'm probably about four
97:44
hundred now which yeah that's a big
97:45
victory for me although I feel like shit
97:47
as far as athletes their natural levels
97:50
are higher that's why you can do crafts
97:52
that other people can't do so your low
97:54
four hundred probably is low to you
97:56
because you're gifted to be more than
97:58
that in the same as you know when we
98:00
were talking about drugs it's funny
98:02
because I great athletes from some
98:05
incredible sports I remember sitting
98:07
down talking to you know I won't say a
98:09
guy or a girl but this young person that
98:11
was during in one lieutenant and a one a
98:14
few times and we're talking about drugs
98:16
and we're very comfortable talking to
98:19
another athlete it's it's just hey
98:21
unwritten law that's your dick so we're
98:23
talking about the stuff I'm using he's
98:25
talking about too stuffy I just said he
98:27
talked about the stuff he's used and I'm
98:29
like why why would you use that I
98:32
understand what it every drug does I'm
98:34
like why would you use that goes
98:36
reflects how do you think tennis is one
98:38
that power he goes power speed and
98:43
endurance and right when he said that I
98:46
might click click click click click
98:48
those three drugs would do that and I
98:51
met people from cross cross cross game
98:54
that cross-country skiing
98:57
I'm like why same thing power speed and
99:01
endurance it works and the same people
99:04
who run they dropped a chute and all
99:06
that stuff all these crazy sports
99:09
obviously cycling and everything else
99:11
but it's it's just here I think it's
99:16
actually funny that we can talk about it
99:18
yeah yeah I think it's really funny that
99:19
I mean I'm a like I was a big I'm a big
99:21
Giants fan I'm Pro
99:22
Barry Bonds when that when he got drunk
99:24
through the mud over that um I was just
99:26
like are you fucking kidding I got
99:28
drugging that to it Victor Conti is a
99:29
very close friend BALCO laboratory I got
99:32
called up and all that stuff so yeah I I
99:34
never met with Barry but I I met with
99:37
someone girl the track star oh yeah yeah
99:41
join Joyner no sister but yeah I met her
99:46
and all those people but you know it's
99:48
funny because hmm should I say that is
99:53
my popular fuck you you know it's funny
99:57
because I remember and I won't see how I
100:01
found out but I remember being explained
100:03
to once the cameras turned off when
100:04
you're on Victor's place bellecour once
100:07
the cameras turned off and all the film
100:09
left the people there that were
100:13
enforcing everything once they took off
100:15
their gear they sat down and talked to
100:18
him there his clients
100:19
oh well you know like man we're sorry
100:22
Wow we got the call we had to go and
100:25
it's just it's amazing it's just
100:27
hypocritical it's just yeah I get more
100:30
frustrated at the people that they get
100:32
all angry about it and putting their two
100:34
cents in and they have their probably
100:35
drink and he probably smoke or do
100:37
something else really you're gonna try
100:38
to cut my backyard really right unless
100:40
your spotless you have nothing to say
100:42
yeah and then you want to put an
100:43
asterisk by him like take all the credit
100:45
what that kid probably put it into all
100:47
the years of his life to be as it's just
100:50
I think as human nature it's the same as
100:52
you get it I don't want from men but I
100:54
see it more in women you know a woman
100:56
walks by she's really great too
100:57
I used to look like that wait till she
100:59
calves a couple of babies she'll be just
101:00
that's no F an excuse you just shit on
101:03
yourself that's all you didn't take care
101:04
of yourself you let yourself flop but
101:06
you're looking at somebody else and
101:07
you're blaming them for all the
101:08
attributes no let's stop it I remember
101:10
back then you know we walk into a club
101:13
and I never I don't believe in going out
101:14
and if I ever did it have to be at least
101:16
ten of us because I understood people
101:18
are stupid you they're gonna say Oh
101:20
steroids blah blah blah so you're gonna
101:21
have to fight so I understood you know
101:23
when one of us walks at the door then
101:25
the next time we're all to 40 well not
101:28
even that we're like 290 300 say after
101:31
you see like the the fourth person
101:32
walked through the door in East three
101:34
plus you're not gonna say nothing
101:36
but you see I I'm great at reading
101:39
people so you see the guy you know he
101:40
sit with a bunch of girl he leans over
101:41
and he leans over bla bla bla you like
101:45
this I'm like so I would just be a dick
101:47
I'll walk him like hey girlie
101:49
okay so you think my nuts are small
101:50
alright let her find out so and then I
101:54
just say nothing like you know what you
101:56
just proved you're a punk because your
101:57
girls know what you really said and it's
101:59
seeing how you are right now so now
102:01
you're exploiting yourself as being a
102:02
little bitch and I just walk away but
102:05
you just got guys this so what happen is
102:07
it wasn't about the steroid it's just
102:09
they felt inferior yeah and because you
102:13
pointed out something not meaning to but
102:14
he just looked at you and identified to
102:16
you and he felt inferior he's I'm come
102:18
it's human nature nuts you got to be a
102:20
really strong individual look at another
102:22
product god damn match you look great
102:25
that's a real person that's a real woman
102:27
that's a real guy is this don't happen
102:28
at all well I think people need to
102:29
realize we've done episodes on this but
102:31
I I could take all the gear in the world
102:34
and I wouldn't know I wouldn't look as
102:35
good as a top pro bodybuilder when
102:38
they're natural and I can train all day
102:39
long you say in boats and I'm still
102:41
gonna be ass dirt slow that's right
102:44
that's right that's right I want I want
102:47
to take you another direction right now
102:48
and you said I'm gonna back you up cuz
102:50
you said something great earlier on and
102:52
I want you to elaborate on it before I
102:53
take you that other direction you said
102:55
that I don't see color
102:57
there's only good people and bad people
102:58
yeah and I think that's really special
103:01
and unique coming from someone like you
103:03
that's probably dealt with
103:04
discrimination and things like that I
103:06
want you to a live version where you're
103:08
from wasn't that like the Ku Klux Klan
103:11
yeah at 14 yeah but the KKK the police
103:16
officers I I witnessed to my older
103:18
brother being beaten a lot by police
103:20
officer and I would just stand there and
103:21
he was just like run can you just run
103:23
don't die I'm I don't know what I'm
103:25
gonna do I'm a little kid but I want to
103:26
jump in here and try to help him he's
103:28
just getting this a stop you know and
103:30
I'm like and you just like no just just
103:31
turn a well but what I recognize it's
103:34
just because you have some officers who
103:36
are bad they don't make all of them bad
103:38
it's a very honorable thing and that's
103:40
why I want to become one when everyone's
103:43
running away they're running towards you
103:45
know they're the worst person you want
103:47
to see you don't want to see them at all
103:48
fuck you officer Pig but you got a
103:49
probably callin mm-hmm you know so I
103:52
respect that and and at a young age I
103:55
understood that just like I understood
103:56
all white people aren't bad and when
104:00
they betray all black people about all
104:01
black people aren't bad but I know some
104:03
right so I again identified it's just
104:07
good news-bad you know good and bad
104:09
police officer it's good and bad white
104:10
people black people I've had worse
104:12
happened to me from black people that I
104:14
have white people you know so I just
104:16
understand that there's just good and so
104:18
I find it I find it here's when I see
104:21
stuff like that like right now what's
104:22
happening right now with with Kaepernick
104:24
and Nike yeah here and by the way we
104:28
talked about this but here's the thing
104:33
it's like you have us you have a
104:35
situation that happens but then you have
104:37
politicians and people of power who use
104:40
that situation to separate everybody as
104:43
much as they possibly can because when
104:44
you can separate people they're easier
104:46
to manipulate you can pick them off
104:48
absolutely so a guy like Kaepernick who
104:50
is peacefully protesting whether you
104:52
agree with him or not
104:53
that's what he's doing he's peacefully
104:54
protesting but politicians are turning
104:56
it into it's a it's against cops or it's
105:00
a get all cops or it's against the
105:01
military so now you've got like these
105:03
two camps and people feel like they have
105:05
to take a side yeah like you either like
105:08
the military or you or your your probe
105:10
minority or pro-military
105:12
inside you can be both yeah you know
105:14
yeah yeah
105:16
so yeah III I seen the post actually a
105:19
friend of mine showed me post like oh my
105:21
god I was eating at the protein house
105:23
and one of the owners showing like oh my
105:25
gosh 80 so I'm like fine I need to find
105:27
a picture so I found it and I posted it
105:30
and yeah it went viral and it was very
105:34
controversial and in it it illuminated
105:38
something already knew you know they say
105:40
you know here in United States we have a
105:42
right to protest freedom of speech
105:43
freedom expressed and I've always known
105:45
I was a lie and you know I've done under
105:48
the post that that I got ripped apart
105:49
about and I just I find it interesting
105:51
that some of the messages I got I got
105:54
some military people saying hey you know
105:55
fu you know you don't support the
105:57
military I don't support you or officers
105:59
or you know don't piss on a flag and all
106:00
that and I'm like exactly when did I say
106:03
that and I didn't respond to everybody
106:05
because it's just I think it's over for
106:06
400 comments now they're like exactly
106:09
when did I say that so they're
106:11
identifying to me and cap because I
106:13
guess kept me up said some negative
106:14
things about officer there were pigs on
106:16
a Sox fur I I respect him and I stand
106:20
behind them for the stance that he's
106:21
taken about you know equality sure
106:23
so just because I represent him I
106:26
respect him one that I have to respect
106:28
I'm on all those views that's really
106:30
interesting because I respect officers
106:33
but I don't respect all officers because
106:35
of their views because I know there's
106:37
good news bad does happen it's proven so
106:39
if I have to take a side and a person's
106:42
done bad things and good things that it
106:44
makes me a part of all that then I guess
106:45
I should respect any officers because
106:47
bad things happen I guess I shouldn't
106:49
respect any military because bad things
106:50
have happened I guess a certain respect
106:52
our flag because bad things have
106:54
happened I guess I shouldn't let you
106:55
know respect the national anthem because
106:57
I know the real first not the anthem
107:00
that was written when it had slaves in
107:01
it you know I don't know if you guys do
107:03
but you can research it you know when
107:05
the British came over and the United
107:07
States already had slaves and a British
107:08
said hey listen any of you slaves who
107:10
want to be free come fight with us and
107:12
you'll be free forever and that's what
107:14
happened so none of that bothers me
107:16
because I understand I can respect a
107:18
person for one part of what it would be
107:20
saying and not the next you know other
107:22
thing it doesn't make everybody wrong
107:23
and now I've been balled up that I'm
107:26
anti-american and you know I even had my
107:28
my team look at and as right now lost
107:30
over 600 followers because of it and I'm
107:33
like that doesn't bother me you know the
107:35
way I look at it whether you agree or
107:37
not I mean I'm not a big Kaepernick fan
107:39
on a big football fan period I don't
107:41
really watch the sport and I'm not a
107:42
huge Kaepernick fan just cuz I saw him
107:44
wear a a Chegg Rivera shirt and you know
107:46
it was heard about that too yeah but
107:50
here's the thing you know I have a very
107:51
good very very close friend who's a
107:53
veteran mm-hm and he told me he goes
107:55
look the very reason why we I served is
107:58
to fight for people's right to protest
108:00
so whether I agree with them or not I
108:03
will always fight for someone's right to
108:05
be able to do that you know of course
108:06
the NFL's a pro you know private
108:08
organization they can fire him over it
108:09
as well yeah but I just think it's funny
108:11
how well I took people divided so strong
108:14
I I actually took the
108:16
the opposite side with the intent of
108:18
stirring the pot so I actually I posted
108:22
a pat tillman meme that people had
108:24
already gone viral and I already knew
108:25
there was a bunch of it triggered a ton
108:27
of people and I wrote I wrote under it I
108:29
said better three message yeah the same
108:33
message better man and then I and then I
108:35
did a funny meme on Kaepernick knowing
108:38
damn well what I was going to do and I
108:39
stirred stirred everybody up who started
108:41
sending stuff to me and I said whoa I'm
108:44
not choosing military here and I'm not
108:46
choosing what what he stood up for in
108:49
fact I'm Pro what Kaepernick stood up
108:51
for in fact I think that I think that's
108:53
awesome that he stood up for that right
108:55
what I'm trying to unveil to everybody
108:57
that's listening and watching watching
108:59
me on Instagram is the last post that I
109:01
did after that which was when I showed
109:03
how much Nike is getting right now from
109:06
all the time yeah 48 million which is
109:09
more money than Kaepernick is gonna get
109:11
paid so Nike use Kaepernick as a pawn in
109:14
this situation and they really don't
109:16
give a fuck about his cause I don't care
109:18
what how they pitch it and they they say
109:20
they care about making money that's
109:22
their a business and they're supposed to
109:24
meanwhile they're dividing all of us as
109:26
a nation and here we are arguing and
109:29
having this conversation because of it
109:30
exactly you're oh you're you're Pro him
109:33
I'm Pro him and we're getting this
109:35
debate meanwhile everyone's talking
109:37
about Nike who slid their name into a
109:39
conversation that they didn't even
109:40
belong into yeah and so that was the
109:43
reason why I did that because I am I'm
109:45
Pro him being able to stand up I'm Pro
109:48
what he was standing up for but I'm also
109:50
Pro the NFL letting him go
109:52
because it's just like you and I gave
109:54
the analogy that if one of my employees
109:56
who's supposed to show up at 8 o'clock
109:58
and work here every single day
110:00
decided to not come to work as a protest
110:02
for a cause that he believes in his ass
110:05
to probably get fired even if I believe
110:07
he's got a good cause I respect the
110:09
cause I respect but I also this is my
110:11
business and you hurt me financially
110:14
Kaepernick hurt the NFL financially
110:16
big-time can we blame them for firing
110:18
him or not allowing you to place it's
110:20
either/or so me it doesn't matter
110:23
whether you agree or disagree I I
110:24
understand and I have the ability easily
110:26
say I agree or let's agree that we
110:29
disagree and move
110:30
that's all I am so people who set
110:32
negative things that's fine you have
110:34
that right to do that if you disagree
110:35
with that's fine did you have the right
110:37
to do that I'm everybody so my real
110:39
people who know me know that I'm Pro
110:41
military know that I'm behind a military
110:42
know that I'm behind I've traveled all
110:44
over the world for the military you know
110:46
know that I was a police officer and how
110:47
I speak I already said listen I got into
110:50
it because it's the most honorable
110:51
listing to do yet I've watched people
110:52
good beating them but doesn't make all
110:54
of them you know bad so that don't
110:57
really bother me and the people who not
110:58
follow me you know or say you know what
111:00
I've lost our respect for you
111:01
that's fine because I understand now you
111:04
never respected me because you don't
111:06
even know who I am and here we are
111:08
supposed to be chasing you unrespected
111:11
are different than yours
111:13
you're actually worse than the people
111:14
that were fighting against and this last
111:17
beautiful thing is you know I have a
111:18
friend and I won't say his name but done
111:20
some interesting interesting interesting
111:22
things for the military you know he's
111:24
retired now and you know because he got
111:26
injured but just some great interesting
111:29
things you know we train together every
111:30
once in a while and he goes I hate cap
111:35
because I respect what the fuck he said
111:37
he goes that shit has nothing to do with
111:39
the flag has nothing to do with the
111:40
officer he goes there spinning all that
111:42
stuff and is stupid and I watch how
111:43
people slander you and beat you up and
111:45
he goes I just laugh out he goes but
111:46
just know from me we know it has nothing
111:48
to do with the flag or us
111:50
and the last thing I'll say is I think
111:51
the joke that I sent to you is you know
111:55
Nike is being boycotted by a lot of
111:57
Americans because they put kappasaur
112:00
30th year face or whatever yet the
112:02
Catholic has been raping kits for
112:06
centuries yet they haven't been
112:08
boycotted in fact okay so like you said
112:11
Kaepernick is peacefully doing you have
112:14
a organization very powerful
112:16
organization that has been raping kids
112:18
for centuries I just had that huge a
112:21
huge case in Pennsylvania yeah like
112:23
something like a thousand thousand
112:26
children affected in like 300 priests
112:27
yeah I mean the Pope is not even saying
112:29
and it's so but in here here United
112:32
States is getting mad at this one guy
112:34
because he says you know what you know
112:35
why cuz we're told to be angry about
112:37
this yeah you know any and you're
112:38
ignorant not to take your own stand
112:40
instead of so you know I've gotten
112:42
people like you know it flex I don't
112:44
agree with you I mean I disagree with
112:45
you on that point but I respect you for
112:47
standing for what you believe in and I'm
112:48
like amen
112:49
great I respect you too so it should be
112:52
able to be done that's what America is
112:53
supposed to be about but that post in
112:55
your post proves that we're not really
112:57
that no I mean I tell you what whether
112:59
you agree with cap or not the most
113:01
American thing you could possibly do is
113:02
peaceful peaceable disobedience that is
113:05
that is in our fabric that's easy so now
113:08
you you remember you remember the and I
113:10
trust me this is all connected because
113:11
we're all around around the same age you
113:13
remember remember the coal roller we
113:18
look good no you don't look good you
113:21
remember the cola wars right Pepsi
113:23
versus coke oh yeah people a lot of
113:24
people don't realize that Pepsi and Coke
113:26
behind closed doors
113:27
organized at that Kahoot and they came
113:29
out with the ads my arse is better than
113:31
theirs and this that and what it did is
113:32
it took away shares from 7up and sprite
113:34
and all the other s it made them the
113:35
consequence it's made people think they
113:37
had to pick between only two choices
113:39
yeah and this is the game that they're
113:41
playing right now you're told you need
113:43
to care about or that you need to pick a
113:45
side with with Kaepernick you're told
113:47
that there's only two sides but in
113:49
reality the same it's two sides of the
113:50
same coin it's the same people pulling
113:52
the strings and they want us to divide
113:55
and separate when in reality people
113:57
really don't want to divide and separate
113:59
we want to we all kind of want to work
114:01
together and that's the worst that's the
114:03
best bit we're saying that if we all
114:05
come together
114:06
listen it's interesting that you know a
114:09
point is the the national anthem I think
114:11
I forgot how many years ago that the
114:13
military paid for that to happen for the
114:16
sport because it didn't yet used to
114:17
happen that's right yeah if you know if
114:19
you don't remember that so it was never
114:20
nothing you know political American
114:23
about it was a business they paid them
114:25
to do that I don't know that here's the
114:27
thing they say okay you should stand for
114:30
the NASA not what I understand is
114:32
Kaepernick used to sit down for the
114:34
national anthem but one of his buddies
114:36
in the military said you know what don't
114:37
do that just go ahead take a knee so you
114:39
don't disrespect nobody only when he
114:41
took a need they started thinking it was
114:42
disrespectful here's my point on that so
114:45
he's supposed to stand for the national
114:47
anthem and be quiet take your hat off
114:49
and if you don't it's disrespectful so
114:52
the people out there tailgating they
114:55
stop drinking they don't take their hats
114:57
off they're still allowed all the
114:59
dickheads who are disrespecting people
115:01
because of their beliefs or the way to
115:02
think about it when at home watching
115:04
that damn game they don't stand up take
115:06
their hat off stop drinking well so it's
115:08
it's really so I want to say that to
115:10
everybody who's against anyone who said
115:12
hey you should stand or do you stand at
115:15
your home how about other sports when
115:16
they play their nasty mouth do you stand
115:18
up do you stop talking do you know you
115:19
don't eat come on man it's just a bunch
115:22
of BS law all these people that are
115:24
taking their shoes and burning them and
115:25
all of a sudden I care you know what
115:27
it's like why don't you give those shoes
115:29
to like a homeless veteran this is all
115:31
about money and power
115:34
Nikes the one who's making out on all
115:36
this stuff it ain't about it ain't about
115:38
the cause it ain't about the military
115:40
it's it's about exploiting this whole
115:43
situation that's the model that's the
115:44
unfortunate you're saying you know if
115:46
it's true about Nike using cap as a pawn
115:49
what I do is I take back you know static
115:53
you know war viewers Kaepernick had to
115:57
be that because he got his message out
115:59
to a greater you know so is it a pawn
116:01
for him even though Nike and I'd be
116:04
looking at it you got to look at your
116:05
position because of that it empowered
116:07
him to have this conversation and
116:08
billions of people to respond you know
116:11
in it the thing I wonder though now with
116:13
with when we do protests like this and
116:15
the awareness in in because it stuff
116:17
moves so fast and because very not as
116:20
many people can have a rational
116:22
intelligent conversation like this
116:24
sometimes I wonder if it does as much
116:27
harm as it does good you know I'll use
116:32
this analogy and it's a really bad one
116:34
fully don't use it it's all used to you
116:42
know war is ugly but sometimes not all
116:46
the wars that we've been and I'm not
116:47
going to get into that but worse
116:48
horrible and ugly but if it didn't have
116:51
an awareness wouldn't happen and change
116:53
wouldn't it came right millions of
116:56
people died it's unfortunate that that
116:59
had to happen for that change to come
117:00
because if not it would have continued
117:02
as usual and nothing would have been
117:04
done so that's that's perception on what
117:06
you're saying and
117:07
remember this this one officer in Los
117:09
Angeles was going around you guys
117:11
remember he was gonna Ross tonight than
117:13
killing oh that started because he was
117:16
offended you know when he was in a car
117:18
he was called to an word while he was in
117:20
a car with another other officers and he
117:22
got upset and went to fight over it and
117:23
it looked you know they made him feel
117:25
bad about it and he was continuously
117:26
treated a certain way as a black person
117:28
so he went off and did something that I
117:31
don't agree with he started killing
117:32
innocent people and officers and
117:34
everything I don't agree with that take
117:35
the fight to the person you know don't
117:37
do that but how ugly that was that would
117:40
have never came out unless he took that
117:43
ugly-ass stance and because that ugly
117:46
stance things were rectified later on so
117:49
it's sad that you got a resort to some
117:51
heinous ask crime for people to stand up
117:55
and acknowledge it you know Warren and I
117:58
mean slavery and all the hangings and
118:00
horrible things that I've heard about
118:02
tar and feather really tar and feather
118:04
imagine that you're alive and they pour
118:07
a hard tar over you so you're cooking
118:09
and baking and screaming and then as a
118:11
joke they put feathers on you you know
118:13
being hung with your private you know
118:14
shoving him off after imagine all those
118:17
things but all those things had to
118:19
happen for us to even be acknowledged as
118:21
equals it's sad it's so a lot of times
118:25
it's it's sad that these really ungodly
118:28
things has to happen for people to stand
118:30
up and take notice so it's perfect is
118:33
its perception is it perception that is
118:35
bad because the people had to win
118:37
through that or is it perception that is
118:39
bad because it changed for the people
118:41
who didn't well well violence is the
118:43
what is it the word the phrase violence
118:46
is the language of those without who
118:47
don't have a voice we can't speak and I
118:50
think it was Martin Luther King that
118:51
said something like that I'm sure I'm
118:53
butchering it but but I get it yeah I
118:56
mean and you know here's a deal what's
118:58
happening now as a result of because
119:00
we've had like a bunch of videos pop
119:02
because the Internet allows information
119:03
to be shared very quickly sure and I
119:05
like that but it does cause a lot of
119:07
controversy but it's okay because things
119:09
change you know what's happening now
119:10
police lots of police stations now are
119:12
putting body cameras on people required
119:15
to wear them and what's interesting
119:17
about this is is you know because people
119:21
recorded you have less instances of
119:23
issues but you also have a lot of police
119:25
officers who are also getting rectified
119:27
as well yeah III agree with that I do
119:30
too I talked to some my my buddy so it's
119:32
a police officer now like you know what
119:34
I don't care about it because what it's
119:36
gonna do is prove you right yep exist
119:40
about it and his analogy is to people
119:41
that's gonna prove you wrong right so
119:44
you know if I was in a situation and
119:46
it's known here in the United States you
119:48
can get sued for anything person in a
119:50
car wreck and you help pull him off the
119:51
car and they turn around and sue you
119:53
because their bag broke I mean but if
119:54
you had a camera to prove that their
119:56
back was broke all right it would have
119:57
proved you right so it's sad about that
119:59
you know but I think it's necessary and
120:01
it should have happened and you know
120:05
technology were cameras and everything
120:08
imagine all the lies that could have
120:10
went through like the one guy I remember
120:11
seeing a video where he the police
120:14
officer shot him going to the car and
120:16
asked the guy tried to drive away he
120:18
shot him continued and killed him that
120:19
police art could have said hey he took
120:22
fire took address it would have never
120:23
been known I seen the other video where
120:25
the kids running and cop put three in
120:26
his back he could have said that he you
120:28
know threw a gun down or something like
120:30
that that would never would have been so
120:32
it's sad that it's to that point but no
120:34
the real sadness is it's at that point
120:37
yep and it's been happening so imagine
120:40
how many things would have been you know
120:41
taken care of before if the camera was
120:43
there so it's just it's sad that we're
120:45
there I remember you know after our
120:47
retire from being a police officer I
120:49
exciting retire I got laid off I was
120:51
with the the sheriff so sheriff is the
120:53
county money comes in goes off so I got
120:55
laid off and and went into body building
120:57
never had to go back but as a pro body
120:59
boat I remember you know getting pulled
121:01
over and I could see that I'm an officer
121:05
I'm still aware of everything so I know
121:06
I'm speeding
121:07
so I'm speeding and I'm like I'm looking
121:10
at my melaku no cuz they're speeding
121:12
like an idiot
121:13
imagine that all right because I'm an
121:14
idiot for speed and I see the car I can
121:16
tell cuz the car is going like this that
121:18
means just traveling at a high speed cuz
121:20
it's bouncing up and down like who is
121:21
this idiot and as it gets closer
121:23
it's an unmarked car with two police
121:25
Austin I'm like crap alright so I'm
121:27
pulling up to a light I know I'm caught
121:28
already so I just make a turn and stop
121:30
right there so I'm sitting and I'm
121:32
looking at my rear view mirror and his
121:33
guys ain't just so he's getting his chin
121:34
his seatbelt off and he grabs his gun
121:36
and he's coming to my car which is
121:38
Kandra and I'm like so I'm right in
121:42
public so he says roll your windows on I
121:45
wrote both windows down I put my hands
121:47
on my Stern wall he goes on reaching you
121:49
reach for your license I go my license
121:52
in my glove compartment goes well don't
121:55
move too fast I might accidentally shoot
121:57
you I just like fuck this is how that
122:00
happens so I'm in public so and there's
122:03
a lot of people around and they
122:04
recognized my car and everything so
122:06
people yell hey flex you all right I'm
122:08
like no I'm not all right stay right
122:09
there man watch this so then he goes to
122:12
my front window and all I can do is look
122:15
down a barrel I'm like I'm just staring
122:17
down it's empty thing like wow it goes
122:20
go ahead reach for it I go okay so I'm
122:24
gonna reach in my glove compartment with
122:26
my two fingers I'm gonna grab my wallet
122:28
and pull it off he goes go ahead real
122:30
slow I put it down and he looks at my
122:32
license and um why are we speeding I'm
122:35
like why you to a felony stop on me
122:38
because were you talking about can wait
122:40
to a phoney stop on me you guys know I
122:43
didn't I go yeah you did you came out
122:45
with your truck you can try now I go I'm
122:47
not answering shit I'm not saying shit I
122:49
want your commander here whoever's your
122:51
commander I want him here now so like
122:52
six cars pull up within an hour and
122:54
they're all oregan behind so the leading
122:58
officer walks up to him and he's like
123:00
you know what happened I go where your
123:04
officer said the reason he did a felony
123:05
stop is because my windows you know
123:07
because I was - I was a real big guy in
123:10
a car I'm like oh because my windows are
123:13
tinted and he said that he pulled his
123:14
gun because my windows her attendant he
123:16
didn't know what's in a car so that's a
123:18
lie
123:19
he goes on okay I go so why do you do a
123:23
felony stop when he goes he did a felony
123:25
stop ago you know he did he came out
123:27
with guns drawn well he feared for
123:29
safety I go why because you were being
123:32
in a car yet my windows are tinted and
123:33
that's what he said okay so I'm a big
123:35
guy in a car so that's why you did a
123:36
felony stop I'm like okay he goes what
123:38
you thought your car was stolen because
123:39
you drive him fast all right okay I said
123:42
so a felony stop he never asked me for
123:44
my weapon he never secured my car he
123:45
never pulled me out throwing me down
123:46
handcuffed me and didn't check my car
123:48
so this whole time I can still add my
123:50
weapon in my car and kill all you guys
123:52
cuz it's a felony stop right you never
123:55
checked the car I know can I check the
123:59
car I'm like sure let it be known your
124:01
ass gonna check the car an hour after
124:02
the event so long story short we got
124:05
into it and I went down and file the
124:06
place a report and everything but that's
124:09
happened to me a number of times it's
124:10
happened to me by being a $125,000 car
124:13
you know at twelve o'clock in the
124:15
afternoon picking up somebody from the
124:16
airport me being an ass blast in my
124:19
music cuz I was in back in the 90s and
124:21
having officers yell at me hey turn the
124:23
music down not be an ass huh I can't
124:27
hear you
124:27
my music too loud you know so they pull
124:30
out the gun and then walking up to me so
124:31
I'm like turn the music down like okay I
124:34
couldn't hear you my music real loud so
124:36
after we get to talk and he finds out
124:38
that I'm you know was an officer they
124:39
put the gun in there you know holster
124:41
and start talking like no no no pull
124:42
your gun back out and continue treat me
124:43
like the asshole that you thought it was
124:45
because I'm that asshole
124:46
right but it's looking at a person based
124:49
on what they're driving or hard they're
124:51
acting and profiling that they're this
124:53
character you can't judge a book by its
124:54
cover
124:55
yeah that's it's gotta be one of the one
124:57
of the most difficult jobs to do III it
124:59
is you know because it's like you could
125:02
be frightened or you're terrified or you
125:04
have different ideas or you're having in
125:05
a bad mood or and you have the legal
125:08
authority to use force to use lethal
125:10
force escalated force so if a person
125:12
don't have a weapon you can go to your
125:14
baton if they have a weapon you can go
125:15
to your gun it's not escalated you know
125:17
they say they can't fear for their life
125:19
and that's one of the bad things I don't
125:21
think all officers spend time in jail
125:22
because you learn how to use or you know
125:25
deal with a person without no weapons
125:27
whatsoever but it is an extremely
125:30
difficult job you have to walk up to a
125:32
car knowing you might be just pulling a
125:35
person over for a broken jaw yeah I'll
125:36
let you know and you get shot in the
125:38
face
125:38
so it is difficult you know like I said
125:40
when everyone everyone's hating you when
125:43
you pull up beside him you might just
125:44
hey are you doing it I'm like fuck you
125:46
man
125:46
but when something goes wrong that's
125:48
what you call it right you know when
125:50
something really really bad happens
125:52
you're running and they're running to it
125:53
so it's a double-edged sword but my
125:55
argument is this as an officer and when
125:58
I chose to be an officer I chose to do
126:00
that I
126:01
chose to put myself in harm's way I
126:04
chose to run towards danger away from it
126:06
and I'm actually paid to do it it's my
126:09
job so don't make excuses or be a dick
126:12
when you're doing your job and you run
126:13
into another dick if that was if that
126:16
dick or that crime didn't happen you
126:18
wouldn't have a job and you asked you
126:21
went to school and you were educated to
126:23
do this job
126:24
don't turn around like all these damn
126:26
criminals then get hardened over it you
126:28
chose to do that
126:29
I just don't get in you're getting paid
126:31
to do that so when you see or when you
126:33
have a situation like that and you think
126:35
back and we talked about the Kaepernick
126:37
thing and police brutality do you think
126:39
it's do you think we have more of a
126:41
problem with bad people in in those
126:45
positions and maybe power tripping or do
126:49
you think we have more of a race problem
126:50
I well I can say one thing you know I'm
126:58
racist I believe in my own race I just
127:00
got to come out and say that I believe
127:01
my own race I believe my race was put on
127:04
this earth to rule all over everyone
127:05
else the human race I believe in that
127:10
race I see no other race I am that was
127:12
good I've actually when I do keynote
127:21
speak and I use that but I I go a little
127:24
deeper I normally say you know what I
127:26
want everyone from our race to stand up
127:28
and clap their hands and go and age
127:29
stand up you know all of course all the
127:31
black people just stand up go crazy what
127:33
I've done is I've exploited everyone
127:36
I've exploited everyone who stood up and
127:38
I exploited everyone who sat down
127:40
whether you sat down or not you proven
127:43
to me that you're not a part of my race
127:44
and you don't get it you see difference
127:46
if you stood up you proven to me that
127:48
you don't see what I'm saying and you
127:50
see race as different that's my whole
127:52
point in doing that so normally I go
127:54
into it deeper but I am a part of human
127:56
race that's the only race I see now
127:59
saying that as far as officers it's not
128:07
meant to be a job it's a career a job as
128:11
McDonald's Burger King
128:13
to been meant to be a job and I'm
128:16
Dyslexic horribly horribly dyslexic I
128:18
almost funk funk police academy three
128:20
times because my dyslexia yet I had
128:24
these other people who have very very
128:25
very book smart couldn't even do a
128:27
push-up couldn't shoot worth his shit
128:30
and I'd be like there's no way in the
128:31
world that I have you going to my but my
128:33
having my back so I think it's because a
128:36
lot of people you know choose to do this
128:39
job because they're smart enough but
128:41
they're not dedicated as a career you
128:43
know they're meant to be put on this
128:45
earth to help people to run towards
128:47
danger and whenever people are running
128:49
from it so and I think it's more
128:51
exploited now because of cameras become
128:54
it's always been going on what happened
128:56
I heard in New York what the one black
128:58
guy he's in jail and he dies while being
129:00
assaulted by a broomstick stuff like up
129:02
his bud there was no cameras to that
129:04
though right mm-hmm come on this crap
129:06
has been going on and I'm not just so
129:08
the other thing about the cat thing I
129:10
already said it I don't see color this
129:13
isn't a black or white problem this is a
129:15
human problem all of us should be
129:17
treated with equality all of us should
129:20
have all equal rights regardless of your
129:22
color creed or financial standing that's
129:25
my big argument it's not a black or
129:27
white thing because white people are
129:29
treated just as bad brown people who
129:31
treated kisses bad we should all be
129:33
treated as equal I don't care if you're
129:35
freaking you know freaking gay with
129:37
three antennas coming out to here and
129:39
you know from Mars hey man if you're a
129:41
human being you should be treated as
129:43
such I'm with you I think people should
129:45
be treated as individuals and if you're
129:47
cool I'm cool with you if you're not I
129:49
don't like you and that's just about it
129:51
I really don't care yeah where you come
129:53
from well I'll tell you what man it's
129:54
it's been a pleasure talking to you on
129:56
the podcast it's been great here thank
129:58
you
129:58
I truly truly appreciate it you know I
130:00
it's not is not the pleasure for you
130:02
guys it's a pleasure that you know you
130:04
guys think this this person has
130:07
something to say of any value and that's
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truly the the pleasure
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I mean being invited here being invited
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anywhere all over the world you know
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people always want to play notes a
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pleasure that you just see me as a
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person and I have something you know
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something to say and I have you know
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some importance or whatever to offer
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people that's to troupe
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my pleasure and I go back to again
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that's all that people want is to be
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treated as equal whether you're black
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white straight gay lesbian whatever they
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just want to be accepted so the pleasure
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is really mine to be accepted by you
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guys appreciate it much appreciated flex
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Thanks
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