Why the Italian Mafia Hated The Godfather Movie

Why the Italian Mafia Hated The Godfather Movie

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so you've never acted before Godfather I

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so who's playing call they said number

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had some playing caller

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I told Sinatra that story at the Copa I

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told the stripper II started crying I

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mean how ironic is that

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Sinatra was my only singing teacher the

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bigger the pain the bigger the upset you

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could have gone either way by the way

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you have an aspect of your life that is

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linked to the mob and then the other

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side is entertainment

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you've met every single mob boss in the

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US right all of them every mob field I

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met every guy and I was always the kid

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well you never actually and joined them

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up there's a lot of stories about me of

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people I killed it all that I'm with

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Marlon Brando he says to me too bad you

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were never a Marilyn Monroe Joe Kennedy

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I'm gonna set up my own Monroe with

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Bobby and John and they were gonna film

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it like they did with Jay Hoover before

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I tell you what I'm sitting down with

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you today I just kind of want to tell

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you what Robert De Niro said about him

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okay so this is the book called

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Hollywood Godfather Robert De Niro says

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Johnny Russell walks the walk talks to

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talk what a life

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a worthy read right now before we even

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start the interview let me kind of give

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you a glimpse about what stories you may

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hear about today Marlon Brando Marilyn

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Monroe James Caan Al Pacino De Niro

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there's a lot of stories the people this

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guy part he had one of the best clubs in

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Vegas for seven years that everybody

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would go to party I don't want to spoil

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all these stories I want him to tell the

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stories to you but today's guest with me

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the one and only from the movie

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Godfather Gianni Russo here with us

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Johnny thank you man willing to have

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y'all all was my pleasure you know I'm

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sitting here watch and get ready to do

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this yeah obviously together and I'm

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telling myself what you and I just

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talked about in the last hour

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fascinating thank you the amount of

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stuff you've experienced it's crazy like

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a hundred people's lives into one life

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well I had a I started very young it's

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12 got the loyalty of so many people and

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I'm still around 76 oh look how many

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years I've been doing it that's

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unbelievable and but I did interesting

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things I was not a person that I'd get

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bored if I wasn't changing my occupé

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every seven years in doing something

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like that so I say you know I'm trying

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to say what angles to go but I said we

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start off with Godfather how about we do

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that we do get I want to go Godfather

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and then we go back to upbringing story

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how that was and then how it led to post

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Godfather but I want to start off with

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Godfather so I've heard a lot of stories

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okay about how it happened where you got

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the role right cop you know they're

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looking for different people to play

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Carlos and Carlo and they're thinking

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about who this guy is gonna be and it's

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somehow someway you come out of nowhere

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and you start playing at the roles so

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what is your version of the story based

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on whatever I won't hear from you well

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that's probably the cleanest version

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because what I've heard it's craziness

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no I I always on my ego I saw the

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tremendous ego and I had to drive and I

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always want to be an actor and I always

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heard you know your trials and

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tribulations you got a sputter you got

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to do this and I figured how am I gonna

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get in then they came out with the book

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mm-hmm and I had someone read it to me

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because I can't read at that time she

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read it and then they knew they were

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having problems with anti-defamation

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league the Colombo family so I at the

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time was I jewelry stores in Las Vegas

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and I was doing you know all kinds of

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things down there so I had I always do

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my own commercials so I have the camera

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crew so I shot a scene for Michael scene

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for Carlo and the scene for Sonny you

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did all those three I did the three got

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it and then I played politics and I got

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to meet Betty makar kind who was Al Rudd

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ease executive secretary

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so how girlfriend got to me to her I

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said I had this test and I was Freeman

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everybody in the world must be sending

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tests how can I make this exclusive so I

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said what kind of causes like she's all

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he loves Bentley's and Rose Royce's I

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just happened to have one eye - what

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kind of women she was Chinese women who

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this is who this is Betty McCord

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al ruddy secretary and you're asking who

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and how what what would attract him got

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it so so I got my 16 millimeter

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real a film that I shot

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and I got the book cover and I wrapped

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it and I got my Chinese chick I had a

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find one it was easy in Vegas I went to

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the Tropicana Hotel and the line had

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every girl in the world I found this

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little Chinese girl I paid her a

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thousand Thomas which is a lot of money

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but I had so much cash I'd say that get

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rid of cash at that time I said three

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days drive-in rest I bought her a wet

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look this material looked like leather

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but it wasn't made her little uniform to

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match my car and that I had Betty macaw

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it arranged communicator drive on I

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didn't want to left at the gate I said I

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want to drive on for her to come here

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Sal arranged it so we had it all planned

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so and I made her give me blow by blow

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by blow I was down the street and so she

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pulls onto the lot and when she pulls up

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to rut his building he was looking at he

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said why cuz they already told him this

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car is great to see this chick come to

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your office he there's no clue no he

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didn't even know he had she's delivering

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and then she delivers this to him they

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talked for a brief minute and it leaves

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unbeknownst to me my test was shot on

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Aerith Lex film 16 millimeter camera

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with a mag stripe that's before tape

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before all that and I bought old film so

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it had a sepia look the color was

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destroyed but unbeknownst to me Francis

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Ford Coppola was trying to convince

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Panama to shoot the whole movie in the

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sepia look antique look so wasn't like

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test that they liked they were sending

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it all around to see that's what it

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should be so now they send me a letter

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because I read in the newspaper that

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they were going to use unknowns like so

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many people said they were gonna hunt

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this guy to the end and it was all false

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and they sent me a nice letter saying

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we're sorry we misled you obviously you

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went to a lot of expense to make your

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test whether using actors I saw so now I

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knew that Columbo was using this book as

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as the footstone to peel everything

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about Italian Americans how they've

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shown in this con

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he's gonna ban this movie got it and he

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had a big rally I mean thousands and

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thousands of people showed up at

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Columbus Circle to pick it and he was

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picking the FBI boat and they called him

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in can't being on the sentence

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understand one thing you're a head of a

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family you don't pick the P up for you I

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tell them they say you better stop with

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all this bullshit like so many other

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Dawn's as we go through life as I did

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got out of water so I somehow or other

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said how am I gonna get their attention

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and I didn't have to do it at that I I

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was a planning to do something some

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idiots on the west coast Italian

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Americans we're gonna show Joe their

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support they blew up the gates of

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Melrose a paramount they're 20 feet off

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they blew it up boom up on Sunday

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morning they were laying on the streets

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so this is my opportunity so I called

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Benny Makar I said Benny what's

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happening she's all over the know she's

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yeah ice is a whiz ruddy or he's never

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leavin to go to New York Bobby Evans

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Stanley Jaffe and they all flew to New

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York

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they said that we gotta stop this they

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took these people gotta kill him it was

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an idiot that did that so I took the

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advantage I got on a red-eye I flew

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there and at the Gulf and Western

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building which is Trump now I'm there

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sitting there and the only reason they

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knew me they all saw my test so I'm

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sitting in the bench of the lobby and

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Ronnie looks to me says Jenny ruse us

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yeah so what are you doing I said we've

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got a problem I think I could straighten

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it who would have no problem

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iStopMotion me on you got a problem so

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he went upstairs I don't know if he was

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going up to call the FBI called New York

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I didn't know what he was gonna do they

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come down about half hour late and I go

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up everybody's in the room and they said

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what do you know about what's going on

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here

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I smell the world knows what's going on

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it Italians are not gonna make me make

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this movie unless you do the right thing

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and what's that ice well I know and I

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didn't know I was bullshit I know what's

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bothering them and I think if we

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straighten that out they'll let you make

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the movie if without them you're not

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gonna get the union cooperation not

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getting any locations and this was

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already when Francis was doing tests

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they had a cinema will heal and they

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would have a Mulberry Street they went

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it to lunch they stole the truck it was

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like 2,000

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I was right the chemical they just took

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it while to let them know you don't come

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to our neighbor without permission so

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they really knew this is not just

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bullshit and by the bunch of button but

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the budget by the way was well like a

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five million dollars he asked for and he

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wanted eighty three days they give him

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like 50 something days no what's crazy

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how you gonna get that done well we did

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it well then they started when they

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started seeing the dailies when we're

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getting ahead of ourselves so what

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happened so I now go down the street

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because the league had an office on

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Madison Avenue and this young attorney

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who stole my attorney bearish logic he

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was easier local yeah absolutely I've

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got a great guy and he under yourself he

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was really well-known mob attorney as he

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grew but there's a young kid at the time

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so I go to the league and that Joe

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didn't come in yet so I go to Brooklyn

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see Joe I said Joe cuz it was selling a

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buck above that's how they were raising

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money Italian flagging him a buck so I

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see - I see Joe this movie Keuka make a

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lot of money it sounds I gotta make

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money with this I said if you sit with

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them I could arrange a meeting

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bring Barry with us let him read the

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book whatever you don't like let him

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straighten it out

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so how do I make money I saw I'm gonna

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arrange a 90's paramount like this I

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said I'm gonna arrange me to get the

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world premiere in every major city the

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night before it opens as you could sell

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tickets $400 on a $50 you could arrange

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for that I said I didn't know if I could

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uh so now I go back decide set up the

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meeting

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that's what's good for you let's do 10

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o'clock tomorrow that's okay so I go up

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there I know they all know the book they

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won't come together and I said I

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arranged a sit-down for you they said

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what I says you never sit down do we

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leave anyway so no they could come here

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tomorrow

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ten o'clock in the morning so I told

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Joyce and bring people will say broke

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mine arrested Chico when he brought a

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crew it was like the original cast for

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the cut they committed so now I just

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spoke to Joe I'm down the lobby I'm

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gonna bring him up there third third

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floor I should do one thing we get this

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on I play Michael and Sonya call

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no problem so we go out they talk back

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and forth this time the other and they

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brought off certain points that then

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they like being referred to as guineas

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and Robson this they don't want to be

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used they go they don't want those were

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there anyone of that gonna be used

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anyways in the script Oreo is old it was

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supposed to and then one guy was so

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funny though interesting she's funny

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with good job bad boy I have to being

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that you brought it up I was the only

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one that used clean it up you Guinea

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brat that I shot that scene awake after

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Colombo got shot cuz come on Mike I said

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clean it up gotta say what I said she

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was a Kenny Brad that's what we used to

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say in the neighborhood you know it's

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like black people call themselves

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whatever they call themselves

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we called ourselves Guinea he didn't

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want it in the book so I used to ride

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away everybody went crazy

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I said don't worry buddy you just got

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shot he ain't gonna say nothing so now

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we have this meeting and they resolve it

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they said we're gonna read it we'll take

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out what you want they shake hands and

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that's together the hammer everything's

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happening he's gonna get the world for

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me is so they will stay getting up I'd

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say go Joe what about me you look around

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he goes like this

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everybody said like he was God everybody

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sat down is what are we gonna do for my

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boy here they saw we're gonna give a

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part I said no no no no I said you do I

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play Michael's son your call so they

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said well this is a news to a lot of

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people in your audience they said we

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already cast Sonny its carmine Caridi

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he's a Broadway play man for my mantra

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big guy and James Caan is playing

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Michael I so who's playing call they

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said number had some playing caller they

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looked at each other and Joe says he's

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playing Carlo and that was it so then

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they played another game on me it's have

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your agent call ice I got no agent you

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don't have an agent no he says are you

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in the Union us you know i so don't

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worry about i did my homework

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this is a tap hot least a right-to-work

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state you give me the letter

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I'll go joining you you know they gave

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me let Iran over I play caller you

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changed my life

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Wow 50 years I mean not all partners

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with vikon that's crazy so that's pretty

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well to think about that so you've never

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acted before Godfather

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never done a movie by I'm a born actor

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but I never but but but I'm talking like

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oh you should know nothing nothing so

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you closed and sold yourself into it

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yeah now let me ask you let's go prior

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to that cuz now I wanted to go to this

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part how you got it and then we're gonna

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get tuna Marlon Marlon Brando this

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stories

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let's go prior to this so who were you

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in high school you and I are in high

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school I know where the high school you

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didn't want to high school when I got

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out of Bellevue I hit the streets I was

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a gimp yet see what they did was I had

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an incident I don't forget it to that

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now I had an incident in the hospital

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then they moved me from the polio ward

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let's talk about that listen the insane

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war I went upstairs for 72 hours

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observation but talk about that talked

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about the fact on you know you're seven

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years old what happened there just prior

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to me going to Bellevue and being

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quarantined my mom I got up like my

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father's old school time so I had two

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older sisters we're living in a

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two-bedroom flat down on Mulberry Street

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so my sisters had a room my mother

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father had that room so where they're

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gonna put me is they had a utility

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closet which they cleaned out they put a

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youth mattress on the floor and why I

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think I get away with a lot of things we

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had a five-gallon kerosene thing that

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they used to put to fuel the heat in the

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house and every five minutes a boom in

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the stench of kerosene I think I'm brain

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damaged so today I'm gonna use that

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sometime in a case so I was there and

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the only way to get out of that bed was

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on the left side so one morning I got up

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I couldn't get out I had no feeling I'm

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all of a sudden what how are you at the

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tenants I was just seven seven and you

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know nothing so I call my mother and

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remind my father was still home yet he

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started all while giving some ask me to

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be alright

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you know maybe he's got a cramp you know

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so my father being the mother as she was

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at the time took me to a clinic down the

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block named you know I don't know what

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they're talking about you know like I

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hear that kid at that year when paying

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attention to that then the next morning

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the bell rings early and I hear my

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mother crying and I thought my mother

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and father had another fight they were

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always fighting and - ambulance guys are

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there and they came for me because they

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did the blood war

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command polio and everybody was so

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frightened but polio in America at that

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time this late-teen 49 people were dying

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thousands of people they thought it was

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the war and they showed up mobile

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fountains they fire hydrants everything

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no swimming pools because they didn't

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know how to control was that contagious

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Wow

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and then I was a part of Jonas Salk's

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vaccine experiments and that was the

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screw-up at first too and I was already

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going to church everyday with my

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grandmother so and I'm saying to garden

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why didn't you do this to me God I mean

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I I mean I can cry about it now girls

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they took me I had it here I couldn't

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believe it man and you're seven years

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old

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and they brought a small stretch

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upstairs because we were a little

15:47

tenement and they could be one stretch

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thank God so the guy put his arms

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underneath my arms and that might try to

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hold my mother's hand they carry me down

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these steps they put me ambulance

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so now I go to the hospital and I'm

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begging my mother if she had assigned me

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in please don't leave me so I'm not

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gonna leave you I didn't want to say the

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nurses with callous or not sense it but

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that's what they do they weren't worried

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about me and I'm praying saying it

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they've say that my patron saint hmm and

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after about a half hour paperwork we

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went upstairs and I remember I was on

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the gurney they slapped me in my mother

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took all my clothes they put me in a

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gown and then my mother's holding my

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hand and the nurse said you have to let

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his hand go I said what do you mean no

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your mother can't go here and I looked

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up and I saw the biggest word in my life

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quarantined across the door you remember

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that vividly oh yeah

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I didn't know what it said but I saw

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there's not like Exeter's like stop

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quarantine unit that was it I went in

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there for five years five years did you

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see how I okay my mom and dad never what

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do you mean never every dollar to visit

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five years I guess would you see for

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five years nobody

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I saw twenty kids in the ward you son

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nobody for five years nobody

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no family no family first of all I think

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it got to be that my father want to come

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anyway because you know he's that kind

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of guy but my mother but I I saw even

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the other kids never had business but

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for the first three or four

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and that was in August and my birthday's

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in December but I'm about to tell you is

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probably one of the reasons I'm alive

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today there's two reasons one was

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Dolores blown

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she was the candy striper when she got

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there she was calling Gambino's nice and

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he told her there's a kid from the

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neighborhood make sure you're watching

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they will always watch me I didn't know

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it because of you know our relationship

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in Sicily and all that your uncle was a

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Khmer - who - yeah now with the game

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being us from connected to that ya know

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they the other way are they all the way

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around they sent those guys here because

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the real real power is in Sicily so

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listen yeah still live yeah love it so

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what happened was she would bring me the

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jello and you the you know hug at night

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but now my birthday was coming to send

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the 12th I think maybe they'll surprise

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me they'll come nobody came I was

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hysterical I meant you know seven years

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old

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just turning eight that December and I

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heard on the radio this consent very

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absorbent that's how my life's cycles go

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I heard on the radio WN e w said today

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is Frank Sinatra's birthday chairman of

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the board

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Hoboken italian-american and little

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skinny kid I was skinny and I related to

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this guy

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I told Sinatra that story at the Copa

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four or five years later I was 16 so

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maybe a little more than that I told the

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story started crying I saw so not to cry

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twice in his life personally that day

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and I was backstage between shows at

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Caesar's Palace when his mother's plane

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was his plane but it was missing that

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she was supposed to be the second show

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the tables chairs were there and he's

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not a religious guy and at the end of

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the first show he said I'd like you all

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if you would please whatever your

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religious beliefs are pray for my mother

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she's supposed to be sitting here

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worried because they didn't want to tell

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him the plane had a mountain which is

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ironic because when he abused the Martin

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later on Deans son hit the same mountain

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get out of here same mountain ken how

19:24

did you know that weird Wow I was like

19:28

but and I became close to Frank with

19:31

that you know because of that phone for

19:32

seven for seven to twelve you don't see

19:34

your parents five years they rain that's

19:36

that's an eternity that's an eternity

19:39

I don't watch how do you do day to do

19:41

anything anybody else did if you were to

19:43

get out what happens though when I got

19:45

out I went back to the neighborhood the

19:46

only thing I knew you know then the

19:48

parallels even went round we'll get into

19:50

it later that's how her and I connected

19:52

she was in an orphanage in in the valley

19:55

yeah looking at water brother studio and

19:57

she said something gonna be as an

19:59

actress and I when I finally got the bed

20:03

the window with the bed like maybe took

20:04

two years to get to that window and I

20:06

finally saw what uptown was I'm 133 but

20:09

I'm still looking up I only saw a little

20:12

Italy the neighborhood is crazy and that

20:15

was my goal I'm gonna be up here I'm

20:18

gonna do what I'm gonna do I'm gonna be

20:19

Sinatra

20:20

now I had Sinatra I mean how ironic is

20:23

that Sinatra was my only singing teacher

20:26

and he wind up baptized by less on the

20:29

channel crazy and you end up singing

20:32

yourself you become a singer yourself

20:33

you perform for a bunch of events oh my

20:35

god you won awards of who you you know

20:37

what Awards the gym you weren't like a

20:39

six you said six oh why not not be

20:41

singing though I was producing no

20:43

producing yeah but you've been singing a

20:45

trumpet would put parties here you would

20:47

ask what's wrong little finger on e for

20:48

me yeah I mean yeah I opened Trump

20:50

marina but let's go back to twelve so

20:51

did you see your parents post twelve did

20:54

you go back and live with your parents

20:55

don't know no I used to go visit them I

20:57

didn't I knew I couldn't be there my

20:59

father was always abusive I mean there

21:02

was times my father I could my father

21:04

has a young kid yeah if I went to a

21:05

school told me and you see me on the

21:07

street if I don't acknowledge

21:09

don't say Wow cuz he was a player you

21:12

want to be pick up girls you know why

21:13

nobody you know he had three kids he was

21:15

real bull

21:16

a red shirt until he died that's who he

21:19

was and he always abused my mother and

21:21

but you know I to me I was I wasn't

21:24

bitter at them I was sad that they

21:28

didn't have the courage I mean you try

21:30

to take one of my kids I got a lot of

21:31

kids I got 11 kids take one of my kids

21:33

I'll grab that kid go to Canada you know

21:35

like so many people didn't during the

21:37

draft you don't take a kid and it's

21:39

opening or go look what I am tonight

21:41

thank God

21:42

yeah no doubt about it sometimes you you

21:43

hear these that yeah that's what I think

21:45

I think there's a big part of it where

21:46

the bigger the pain

21:48

the bigger the upset you could have gone

21:50

either way by the way it was dead yeah I

21:52

was younger I want to become an assassin

21:55

I was so bitter so but but that's the

21:58

part because you have it you have an

21:59

aspect of your life that is linked to

22:01

the mob a big part of it life that's

22:03

linked to the mob and then the other

22:04

side is entertainment right I go to

22:06

Delancey Street one day and I see this

22:10

new invention called ballpoint pens

22:13

you don't need ink anymore hmm and the

22:16

stores ten feet one so I go in the store

22:19

and there's the main there and I should

22:21

you the owner Stice yeah and they

22:24

introduce myself

22:25

and he said I'm Mr Rabinowitz I said Mr

22:27

Rabinowitz I got I got something I think

22:29

he's gonna love it I said what's that he

22:32

says I'm gonna become your partner and

22:35

he looked at me and he calls his brother

22:37

Leo

22:37

Kabhi I want you to meet our new partner

22:39

he's playing with with a heavy Jewish

22:41

accident and I said I'm serious and so

22:44

are you gonna be my partner tell me tell

22:47

me

22:47

I said you're selling ballpoint pens

22:49

yeah I said well I'm gonna experience

22:52

your business it's how you're gonna do

22:53

that

22:54

I see you're here you got ten feet 200

22:57

feet wide I said you should be selling

22:59

spaghetti not ballpoint pens so he said

23:01

very funny how you gonna do this I said

23:04

you're gonna give me 50 pen if I give

23:06

nobody nothing dude are you giving I

23:08

said listen to me please I'll take take

23:11

you ain't taking that's all right I'll

23:14

leave here with 50 pence tomorrow and

23:17

you come if 20 a missile I pay for them

23:19

give me the 50 again I'll do that every

23:21

day is how do I know you come back I

23:23

said my grandfather told me

23:25

look me in the eye give me a word and

23:27

shake his hand that's it that's all you

23:30

need in life he's a grandfather smile

23:32

man

23:32

he gave me depends then I asked because

23:34

I've seen one I didn't have went to

23:36

office space them and I saw they got

23:38

paid paychecks I walked to the bank and

23:41

they filling up my lungs come on man

23:42

Pinto was full on a board I knew he was

23:45

a marine Midland Bank so I go in I said

23:47

when does the paydays here you saw we

23:49

have to stagger them cuz a pain in cash

23:51

I said would you give me the list of

23:53

when you're paying who is why you wanna

23:55

rob my Snow White's that I have an idea

23:58

cuz I wanted to go but you got your

24:01

humble up let me show up 15 minutes

24:03

later hmm you had all this time means

24:06

yeah so it got to be much would buy that

24:09

I'd walk into this place I knew this

24:11

schedule every day I was somewhere else

24:13

but then it got to be they just open the

24:15

drawer they had typewriter a small port

24:17

been said okay don't want no more so I

24:19

came out I was disappointed and it did

24:23

you know all the train stations are

24:24

still the same some on Broadway and

24:26

canal and ICN and awe and says uptown I

24:30

always wonder go uptown from the

24:32

hospital I'll go it up so I got off of

24:35

59th Street and Fifth Avenue and I made

24:37

that my stop I stood outside and Sharon

24:39

Ellen and self-doubt van cleef and arpel

24:42

i have this gimp um i was starting to

24:44

pull it into my truck because it was

24:45

growing too fast

24:47

my little cigar box but I didn't take

24:48

the typewriter braces just these little

24:50

drew pencil ever coming out everybody

24:53

would come by give me a dollar you know

24:56

and I saw to me as a kid I you look at

24:59

everybody I said everything is Sunday

25:01

here cuz I used to talk to the doorman

25:03

is what do you mean as everybody has

25:05

this Sunday best on because they all

25:07

dressed to the nines my neighbor nobody

25:09

interested maybe Sunday to go to church

25:11

that's how I met Costello

25:13

you started walking down used to cost

25:15

town every day he lived on the west side

25:17

that's how you go connect and he walk

25:18

down 59th Street come to Fifth Avenue go

25:22

into the sherry Netherlands go showing

25:24

come back out that's how I got to see

25:26

him and then you touch my shoulder this

25:28

is kid what are you doing here

25:30

I said I'm selling bends you looked at

25:32

bend over the cigar box

25:33

you throw a dollar in $5

25:35

take a bath this one on for a couple of

25:38

months there one day maybe had more time

25:40

you always had somebody or two guys will

25:42

and he says to me what's your name I

25:44

told my name

25:45

he says you're Italian as hell his ruse

25:47

always yeah this is who's Angelo Russo

25:50

to you was Angela listen my uncle he's

25:52

Angela no she's your uncle

25:54

I said yeah why his when's the last time

25:56

you saw I say never so I said there hung

25:59

him in London for in 1948 and he looked

26:01

at Blackie not renewing the guy's a name

26:03

now he says this guy's telling truth I

26:05

said on why I said I take offense to

26:08

that and he looked at me he says you

26:10

know whether the world of klunkins

26:12

everybody knows where there's in the

26:15

lobby in a walled-off I'm fucking you

26:17

he's bday tomorrow at 11 o'clock it's

26:19

okay and he said Blackie take that cigar

26:21

box home you never do this again I don't

26:23

want to see you banging on the street

26:25

gave me two $100 bills I was with that

26:27

rental 1873 till he died and I couldn't

26:31

go to the scheudle because they had a

26:32

warrant out for my arrest so I went to

26:33

the school across the street he was it

26:36

was buried up on 86th feet and park

26:38

every Campbell's the big everybody gets

26:40

buried out of there but I had to show my

26:42

respect then I called his wife that

26:44

night

26:44

and I described what she said where why

26:47

you and then she said I shouldn't even

26:49

ask you that cuz she knew they were

26:50

looking for me I said I just want to let

26:52

you know you look gorgeous

26:53

today my respects I've been praying for

26:56

him and I was in that's how long I was

26:59

with this guy would you learn and that

27:01

and that appear oh my god I mean you you

27:03

you've met every single mob boss in the

27:05

US right all of them well not only that

27:07

at the time unbeknownst to me I was a

27:09

kid I was just a messenger and you know

27:11

he'd give me Alma Lopes go here go there

27:13

first I was in stayed in the city for

27:14

about two or three years I used to go to

27:17

the support minute this do is 24 phone

27:19

writers here blackboards data counting

27:22

room here and then I picked up here at

27:24

the end of the day that I make all my

27:26

stops sherry Netherlands Hotel the Plaza

27:29

Hotel all the hotels all the barber

27:32

shops is where they took the numbers and

27:33

the boss bets I would take them and not

27:36

taking to the Wyndham Hotel on 58th

27:38

Street and every day I'd go to insert

27:40

the elevator top floor go there and they

27:43

had people out there and I'd go in I

27:44

mean it was like a bank everybody

27:46

advises was count

27:47

who's doing this so I thought I was

27:48

being cute then I he'd go to dinner

27:50

every night

27:51

mm-hmm and if he needed me this before

27:53

cellphones they know how to get in touch

27:55

with me and I'd come back and I did

27:57

errands for him at night he went to

27:59

dinner every night Oh mr. Costello this

28:02

guy thank God it was him and not some

28:04

crazy like the John Gotti or somebody

28:06

this guy was a gentleman of a gentleman

28:08

here we never know he was in the moment

28:11

that's why when Vito Genovese came out

28:13

and he wanted his family back Frank

28:15

couldn't be happier to give it to him

28:17

because Meyer Lansky and the ALF in

28:21

Chicago all over the world put to sin to

28:23

get together and that's but became now

28:26

it's the power that's why Godfather -

28:28

when Hyman Roth who was my olanski in

28:32

the old mm-hmm

28:33

he said we're gonna be bigger than you

28:35

were steel and they were they were doing

28:37

10 man a week Shh it was insane the

28:41

money yet and the buildings I mean the

28:44

buildings that here well you know he

28:46

owned 11 Wall Street I mean him and Joe

28:49

Kennedy during Prohibition they said

28:51

they made 50 manage Wow

28:53

that's a law but how I met all the

28:56

people are you same the waldorf-astoria

28:59

after the appellation crime can move

29:01

that whole raid mm-hmm they never did

29:03

that again so they had their lawyers say

29:05

where can we meet we gotta meet they all

29:08

took hotel rooms in that hotel I was

29:11

busy that casually bump into you every

29:14

mob film I met every guy and I was

29:16

always the kid always clean and he gave

29:19

me money he's gotta clean up that outfit

29:21

ice whatever you want me to do he'd give

29:22

me like $300 go buy clothes I'd buy

29:25

enough and give him 200 back I don't

29:27

know if he was testing me

29:28

I never abused I was rhythm oh then he

29:32

said in 1959 so where you start going to

29:35

Vegas for me it's okay whatever you want

29:37

me to do I always went by TWA

29:40

I didn't know they had how

29:41

use and I will use them anyway that's

29:45

another completely different angle my

29:48

story but no you were asking all the

29:51

time

29:51

you were around them all the time all

29:53

the time all the time only is the kid

29:55

people say what's that name is the kid

29:57

the way being left I know his name

29:58

well you never actually went in and

30:02

joined them up no never never

30:05

they added Sicily so hands are off that

30:09

kid a lot of people he'll I mean I got

30:11

so close to the people of Chicago Tony

30:13

Accardo I love Tony Accardo we made a

30:14

lot of a lot of business death and I'm

30:17

still friends I'm going to Chicago all

30:18

the time now did you ever hear a guy

30:20

called Frank Nitti no he was with with

30:22

Capone Frank Nitti was big legend well

30:25

you know too young his son Nick Nettie

30:28

and I were partners for years

30:29

mhm we would do a lot of laundering of

30:31

money through the Vatican which hundreds

30:33

of my men money and you can't even

30:35

believe on much money now his son John

30:37

Nettie is with me now his son it's so

30:40

crazy with three generations and Nittis

30:42

but in my book

30:44

this picture was nobody has his pictures

30:47

of Tony Accardo Nick Nettie and I at the

30:50

trivia film before going to Vatican

30:51

nobody that's these figs that's so

30:53

insane because you say oh this is so

30:56

far-fetched and then there's a

30:57

photograph and then there's our there

30:59

this is public that's it how do you get

31:01

this vote aggressive crazy and that's

31:03

before everybody has a camera there and

31:05

they follow now I've been blessed I mean

31:07

it's so crazy

31:08

there's a lot of stories about me of

31:10

people I killed and all that there's

31:12

always self-defense so how did you get

31:14

connected with Marilyn Monroe where did

31:15

that connection take place well that's

31:17

funny as the years progressed it was

31:19

like 15 and I got caught a couple of

31:21

times on the street I could do my

31:23

collections and a truant officer came up

31:26

to me was like May of that year

31:29

and he says come over here yes sir

31:32

is why should school at school I don't

31:34

go to school I maybe like 10 grand in my

31:37

pocket from clicking everything and I've

31:39

said he might not know this guy clicks

31:41

his money I how am I gonna tell Frank so

31:43

I'm being very polite he said well

31:45

you've got to go to school okay so he

31:47

saw he's writing me a ticket

31:49

he's what your mother follows men

31:51

and about the address 1 to 1 Mulberry

31:53

Street did you give this to your parents

31:55

if they don't turn the sin within the

31:57

next 10 days we're gonna come left you

31:59

know butcher juvie

32:01

that's juvie Wentz juvie juvenile home I

32:04

said ok so now I'm going to to choice I

32:06

dropped the money off the Windham when I

32:08

go to church that's why go because they

32:10

let me in me right Joe DiMaggio's at the

32:13

ball everybody's there Jackie Gleason

32:15

Jackie Gleason used to film at CBS

32:18

student right now we ever oh this guy a

32:21

Colbert show mm-hmm everybody's been

32:24

there and I used to go over there I'm

32:25

everybody knew me so I used to see

32:28

Gleason all the time and he was fun I

32:30

mean I had fun where all these guys

32:31

synoptic they used to drink martinis

32:32

like to look like me after all day so I

32:35

go there and it comes Costello

32:38

he sounds everything you look a little

32:39

down I said I swear that guy gave me a

32:41

ticket he looked at the ticket at 11:00

32:44

he's just think if you were ticket he's

32:47

your makeup walk one day they met him I

32:48

said no he said let me straighten it

32:50

eyes you couldn't straighten I said I

32:52

knew what she said so the next day when

32:55

I go to meet him all the time you see me

32:57

I just enrolled you in the school I saw

32:59

the water go to school just don't worry

33:01

about it you're gonna go to Willford

33:02

Academy it's on top of Lindy's right on

33:05

Broadway between 52nd and 53rd Street

33:08

you should go there and just check in

33:10

it's doing it's all covered so I go yeah

33:12

check in I had a meeting o'clock in one

33:16

I didn't have to start anything with him

33:17

until you have to know so the girl shows

33:19

me know what I liked about it was all

33:21

fucking broads of it so I got my little

33:25

schmuck you know I think and they teach

33:27

rather scrubby and all that I didn't

33:30

give a shit about any of that

33:31

Wally's bronze I said this is like a

33:33

candy stuff for me to get it and I had

33:36

all the money in the world I'm making

33:38

dates cuz I'm gonna cooperate any time I

33:40

want

33:40

I just told L carmine I took them every

33:43

day they couldn't even drink that soda

33:44

they give me give me booze they didn't

33:46

care but I was dating these people

33:48

things of coppa seeing Sinatra I have it

33:51

made and then I got close to the lady

33:53

says you know you don't have to come

33:55

here every day I smile just come for a

33:57

couple of hours take it

33:59

cuz and I did that and then walks and

34:02

Claire

34:03

it was a colorist for L'Oreal us one of

34:07

those become his and Kenneth and Kenneth

34:09

he may know the name now became Jackie

34:11

O's hairdresser and she opened a shop

34:14

called Kenneth's in New York but they

34:16

were working at Lille - a on 56th Street

34:19

and Park Avenue which every society bird

34:23

in the world so they came up they were

34:25

looking for shampoo boys and me I'm a

34:27

clean freak like Paula type beef like

34:28

that is a mine in my shirt my uniforms I

34:31

do a my oh shit never touch my clothes I

34:34

mom I always starts so she like these

34:36

two Guardians came in they saw me and

34:38

they finger all this guy this piece of

34:40

candy and they said you come with us I

34:42

said whatever they say buddy and the

34:44

good news why I wanted to go because

34:46

it's the last hundred hours would that

34:48

count I can work and get paid in tips

34:51

and the last hundred hours goes to me

34:53

graduated they didn't know I think you I

34:55

didn't want to graduate soon as I was

34:57

December 12 came I'm sixteen see you

35:00

later with this infinite do and all that

35:02

as you would be the fourth hinder harem

35:06

Chapel you'd stand at attention the

35:08

stairs was a hot she was a haberdasher

35:10

one of the most famous Lily - hmm the

35:13

second floor was the salon so I'd stand

35:15

there and then they'd call me they'd

35:16

give me a card say go to room 4 never

35:19

give you the lady saying what she led to

35:21

rinse there's they taught you even their

35:23

procedure doll that I go into the

35:26

shampoo basin it's a little room private

35:29

it's Marilyn Monroe now I just finished

35:32

watching Mount Monroe at the New York

35:35

pamorah because when it was cold at

35:37

night and I was in at the bakery I go to

35:39

the movie theater well the 24 hours a

35:41

day and I had everybody knew me they

35:43

gave me free popcorn I'm watching my own

35:45

Monroe and some like it hot

35:47

I must have masturbated 15 times

35:50

understood it

35:54

we all wore dog food why not she was on

35:57

the cover of the first Playboy magazine

35:59

I know that she was she was she was

36:01

amazing so now that's about Monroe

36:05

I pulled the drape I don't know how long

36:07

I was looking at her but she said is

36:10

this someone any I said excuse me of

36:11

ladies and I had to go through the

36:13

procedures they you know about the

36:15

touching there the water on her wrist is

36:17

that the right temperature and she's

36:19

laying there like spread-eagle what I

36:21

hadn't shown that had baby you know yeah

36:24

we all know and she had this the smock

36:25

on but a legs I wound up saving myself I

36:28

can't believe this

36:29

so now I stopped massaging a hair and

36:31

she's moaning and she's more now my

36:34

mind's going crazy I get an erection I

36:36

must be pokin or Amelia because she's

36:38

there my three-piece sets on my shoulder

36:40

that she started requesting me then like

36:45

Christmas comes Costello says to me this

36:48

weekend don't make any plans I said why

36:50

he's we're gonna put my own Monroe in

36:53

the world off you know she is yeah I

36:56

know I'm downstairs with him I'm been in

36:59

the building they hid her out here for a

37:02

year look if you know that Marilyn

37:03

Monroe came here for one year in New

37:05

York when she was having problems with

37:06

Darryl zanuck and all the list everybody

37:08

was abusing her so she came in and they

37:11

loved her and I went yeah like he told

37:14

me to go I was there I brought my how

37:17

stupid I was I brought my little shampoo

37:18

kid I just gonna watch it so obvious she

37:23

comes out with this robe on I mean she

37:25

was gorgeous I mean today's world she'd

37:28

be voluptuous so we're talking have a

37:31

son waiting for the same when we're

37:32

gonna wash it yeah because I saw a robot

37:34

it's victory kind of you know which

37:35

throw it out and I didn't know what else

37:36

was but he just said they wouldn't but I

37:39

didn't know she wasn't going to win so

37:40

then she ordered room service I never

37:42

know what room service was I'm in this

37:43

room do you understand I'm 16

37:46

you are 16 years old 16 just 16 actually

37:52

this would maybe like January your blood

37:54

is sponsored by cialis at that time on

37:56

your legs I'll be a bleed bike you know

37:58

a Viagra but that's what got to Slade II

38:01

crazy cuz now she said you haven't

38:04

you like champagne ice I never had

38:06

champagne nicely thinking me little

38:08

drinks

38:09

seven and seven at the Copa when I was

38:12

you know but now she's got room service

38:14

and I'm here I am but sitting there I'm

38:17

said what's up my friends can't let you

38:19

see me look at this I got on the road

38:21

it's true she said let's go take a bath

38:23

I said you want me to take a bath right

38:26

it's just yeah come on

38:27

so she gets to the drop and she just

38:30

drops her a rope it walks like another

38:34

ten feet gets to the top she got the

38:35

bottle champagne two glasses women so I

38:37

go yeah I couldn't get my pants now my

38:40

dick was so big it's like everyone gonna

38:43

get over this thing and she's so much

38:45

attraction she said like yeah and I go

38:49

like you need it I said at the end to

38:50

the top I was gonna take anything for

38:52

granted but there was no way I had

38:54

nothing to light it with so I'm sitting

38:55

in the tub talking about everything in

38:57

the world I don't where to insult the

38:58

lady and she starts playing with me we

39:01

drinking champagne long story short I

39:03

left Monday morning to go to see him

39:06

downstairs and he's looking at me he

39:08

says you didn't want to ask he said two

39:10

gentlemen you've been here all this wine

39:12

since you told me to stay

39:13

we could have went home and slept that

39:17

was the weekend that's the weekend a

39:19

minute

39:19

that's that maybe the weekend of 99.9%

39:23

of sixteen-year-old boys in the world

39:25

that's like a fantasy right I could you

39:27

know I couldn't even tell anybody the

39:29

only person I ever told about that and

39:32

it came out later got too much respect

39:33

for women to begin with spin forward I'm

39:36

wit Marlon Brando and we're talking

39:38

whatever every night now him and I he

39:40

loves me you Ian stay where we all

39:42

stayed I had this apartment I stood at

39:44

the Park Lane because I wanted the

39:45

collabro coming out every morning with

39:47

paparazzi obviously that a bigger room

39:49

here but I want the media so I used to

39:53

go to the ELA zai hotel that's where he

39:55

was staying

39:55

he liked the monkey bar it's the live

39:57

and which they have all night long this

39:59

guy is nuts because we had cool you

40:00

never we different call times 2 o'clock

40:03

3 o'clock whatever and we're talking

40:05

about my own woman oh he loved him

40:07

a big affair I don't know we shed the

40:08

fair with everybody especially when she

40:11

was going to Stella Adler here a great

40:12

thespian teacher but he says to me too

40:16

bad you were never at Marilyn Monroe and

40:17

I looked at me said what was that look I

40:20

said I don't know

40:21

he's your Marilyn I said yeah I mean

40:26

being you're talking about I'll talk to

40:27

you about it I was with him this is I

40:30

think you're lying it's okay you should

40:33

tell me something that nobody would know

40:35

about well it's okay over her right leg

40:38

right and bright in this cleavage she

40:42

has a scar

40:43

he says you fuck your with him and I

40:48

bonded up with that he's so crazy but I

40:50

was told to go to count Eva three or

40:53

four years later they commissioned

40:55

Marilyn to go to him and I don't know

40:57

what's going on I found out later said

41:00

to get everybody obviously John F

41:02

Kennedy I was hanging out with Senator

41:04

John F Kennedy for years

41:05

when he came to the Sands Hotel I

41:07

watched him do lines of cocaine offered

41:09

Juliet Prowse his stomach he never saw a

41:11

lady with a shaved pussy that was big

41:14

thing enjoy your browser Ava God every

41:18

night that were in that pool I mean Ava

41:20

Gardner did everybody guys girls monkeys

41:22

anything she gives she was nuts

41:25

so when I was just always allowed to be

41:27

anywhere I wanted to beat up that was

41:28

Jack and trotta's building they built us

41:31

on the property to Sands Hotel as old

41:33

swimming pool you know waltz around how

41:36

is he how is that was hell is Jack Jack

41:38

was a great guy I met him here earlier

41:40

then they shipped him down the Vegas

41:42

when they opened the Copa room mmm and

41:44

that's when Jules Modell to ran this for

41:47

a while but comma and always ran that

41:49

but Jack was a great guy great guy

41:51

easygoing bond oh no Hardy guy and he

41:54

and see that what I can't hey I wasn't

41:57

realizing what they were doing that time

41:59

they were equalizing the syndicate with

42:01

juice they'd want to put Italians in

42:03

those deal

42:04

semen and again I don't know I never

42:07

segregated myself of being a gangster if

42:09

I'm Italian but they were that smart

42:12

that's why Costello called himself

42:13

Costello he wanted to be Irish he never

42:16

used his name

42:17

because when he took over Tammany Hall a

42:20

nice Irish guy you don't know what he

42:22

was a big guy but you know but that's

42:25

what they were doing man they

42:26

interesting they had more Jewish beards

42:29

we'd call them to run stuff and that was

42:32

Maya Mira's a genius why engage every

42:35

remote dateless no but I did sit down

42:38

with Oscar Goodman oh I love uh you know

42:41

Oscar you know he has stories and a half

42:44

ask him who controlled the mob business

42:47

Malhotra Tony Spilotro yeah Oscar

42:49

Goodman right to this day okay

42:52

you told you tell Oscar you talk to me

42:55

I'm gonna ask her just hired me for

42:57

April 16th to degree your mob museum

42:59

about my book it's the 50th anniversary

43:01

- Godfather real book I'm going there I

43:04

love Oscar Oscar and I go win another

43:07

entertaining guy I saw and a character I

43:10

shot two movies in Vegas he had to be in

43:12

each one he had to be here he played the

43:14

mayor of Vegas when I had an Ed McMahon

43:18

McMahon and McMahon was the governor in

43:20

my movie and he was he made himself I

43:23

love him he was a casino he was in

43:25

casinos and he was totally yeah I was

43:29

saying with Oscar Goodman is he had a

43:31

lot of things to say about the Lansky

43:33

and the influence he had in Vegas oh my

43:36

god and what he did through moe oh yeah

43:38

he dissed daily choices man that's that

43:40

that's exactly it that the amount of

43:42

influence he had to create Vegas into

43:44

what it is and they went through Bugsy

43:46

because a lot of people think it's Bugsy

43:48

it's Lansky who had the info used Bugsy

43:51

as the frontman yeah

43:52

and why bugs you got not I mean I know

43:55

they got a shot Bugsy

43:56

they were Beverly Hills marksmen shadows

43:58

through the window right through to your

43:59

eye that's where they got that thing in

44:00

The Godfather be modalys

44:02

I mean mo green mm-hmm that was pucks he

44:05

was supposed to date three million

44:08

dollars went south with all that

44:09

construction and everybody wanted to

44:11

know why and then when he opened he had

44:13

opens her a flop you doughnut they made

44:15

no money but the the foresight that they

44:18

had you see your took a wrong guy about

44:20

Vegas I know everything about Vegas we

44:22

had a club there was seven years old

44:24

before that Frank Costello and Joe

44:26

Kennedy on the Tropicana Hotel I had the

44:29

biggest nightclub in that way before my

44:31

club called Tiffany's I had Elvis

44:34

Presley open it for me Elvis Presley

44:37

when you pinch Sammy Davis jr. opened my

44:39

club Tiffany's in the Tropicana what

44:41

here was a Jesus I don't even know like

44:45

69 how was Elvis I love Ellen others not

44:48

stuck

44:49

what's this but how different was he

44:50

then everybody else was he unique in his

44:52

own way why he was just unique for who

44:54

he was I mean this guy was statue ash I

44:56

mean I mean I've seen him I had the

44:59

privilege of see because but my friends

45:01

Alex oofy and all of them and you know

45:04

Kirk Kerkorian of course welcome Curt

45:06

opened the hotel yeah but belong before

45:08

the M Jim he opened the international

45:10

opening week fourth of July weekend

45:12

first two weeks

45:13

Barbara Spicer second two weeks Elvis

45:15

Presley it's two shows a night no Kurt

45:18

Kurt and I were like this we get a money

45:20

I'm a with him he had the only show room

45:22

that's at 1,500 people everybody said

45:24

you're nuts

45:25

The Sands Hotel for the people 1,500

45:28

with a balcony

45:29

what happened with your falling-out with

45:30

Sinatra you had a so-so what when you're

45:33

about to do Godfather he called you

45:35

right don't call him 80 what was that

45:36

all about

45:37

oh he was nuts I mean I did so many

45:39

things with this guy I could tell you

45:41

stories about him forever but he calls

45:42

me up Dorothy calls me says the old man

45:44

wants to talk to you so I get on the

45:46

phone he said he got cast in the

45:48

godfathers yeah he says to me you're a

45:50

friend of mine - of course Frank he said

45:52

I don't want you to do the movie I said

45:53

what is I didn't really don't want you

45:55

to do it you can't do it okay

45:57

but I just spawned eight is I saw okay

45:59

no hung up I'm saying myself see fucking

46:01

nuts so I waited a couple of days and I

46:04

played the game on him called Dorothy

46:06

assits could I talk to you a minute

46:08

get on the phone he started the

46:09

conversation I'm so happy we're turning

46:11

that movie down that's kanesha one

46:13

question you're a friend of mine right I

46:15

saw his dialog right back at him

46:17

yeah I second I actually questioned if I

46:19

asked you not to do here to eternity

46:21

would you have done it and he hung up on

46:22

me because he knew where I was going

46:24

fuck you know it took me for three years

46:26

who cares for you he tried to eat them

46:28

one time could get stupid you know he's

46:30

bad if you have a temper bad drunk

46:32

temper okay

46:33

she's one of those kind of guys hold me

46:35

back hold me back in there's nobody hold

46:36

him and he's gonna get his ass kicked

46:38

I'm in the gallery in bar one night and

46:40

he's drunk like 3 o'clock in the morning

46:42

and I told me something that I could pay

46:45

attention to move so yeah I mean I don't

46:47

have to pay attention nobody I respect

46:49

everybody but don't call me a kid you

46:52

all walk ain't a fucking cab so I go on

46:55

and he says you know when I tell you to

46:57

come here

46:57

I said scuse me as you can't talk to me

46:59

that was he looks at jelly

47:00

I put Julian a graver two minutes so he

47:02

raised his hand like he's gonna smack me

47:04

I grabbed his a little skinny young guys

47:06

let me tell yourself this is a warning

47:08

next time you raise your hand I'm gonna

47:10

rip off your arm and shove up your ass

47:12

and he looked at Chile's is Frank cuz

47:14

you can't I mean I'm a lovable person

47:16

I'm not a tough guy don't treat me like

47:19

I'm some bar rag cuz you're Frank

47:20

Sinatra I won't Eliot

47:22

that's one thing I would never let

47:23

anybody know that's why I've gotten some

47:26

trouble sometimes but I had enough

47:28

people to take care of though you had a

47:30

falling out with him again afterwards

47:31

though I had a lot of what was it what

47:33

happened with him in Marilyn Monroe

47:35

there's oh my god something about that

47:37

was in America gal Eva yeah when he had

47:40

me you were kind of a you know the whole

47:42

story was about to come out Marilyn was

47:44

gonna come on and talk about the

47:45

Kennedys what happened there what

47:48

happened there was that Kennedy's never

47:50

kept their end of the bargain when Joe

47:52

Kennedy went to Frank Costello and he

47:54

said well my son had become president I

47:56

need your help so they all got together

47:59

Cokie Civello with the Teamsters out in

48:01

Kansas see every mob I was traveling all

48:04

over the place and I loved it Bianca hmm

48:06

I bring this message that message this

48:08

message and obviously primaries coming

48:11

they still realized they don't have

48:13

enough votes they had all the culinary

48:14

vote all the international all showman

48:16

with the Anastasia Marcellus of New

48:18

Orleans you name every union Brotherhood

48:21

Teamsters everybody and the thing was he

48:24

becomes president we're gonna invade

48:26

Cuba and give you all your casinos back

48:28

was a win-win and everybody went for it

48:32

so now the guy becomes president John's

48:34

mistake was he made his brother Robert

48:36

attorney General Robert hated his father

48:38

his brothers when he stood for Robert

48:41

was the baby

48:42

he was mama's boy Joe Kenny I could tell

48:45

you stories budget

48:46

you would not believe now all those boys

48:48

had to have a blowjob in the house when

48:51

they were 16 he'd bring people in and

48:52

given blowjob make him bet he got to be

48:54

a man this game is crazy I heard some

48:56

stories about him always crazy he I know

48:59

nobody knew better than Costello because

49:02

they were partners during Prohibition

49:03

uh-huh so they were partners so what

49:06

happens he makes a maternity general no

49:08

invasion Cuba he said there's no

49:09

missiles they're loving this so they're

49:11

waiting they got nothing then I mean I

49:14

meant Marcello's house in the walls

49:16

because he knew their family things like

49:18

you're like good there's one thing about

49:20

me you invited me I show up see we're

49:22

gonna have this big barbecue I go they

49:24

read it's a backyard Oh US Marshals with

49:27

Bobby Kennedy and they were arresting

49:28

him they deport him and he told them

49:30

right then and there he says you're dead

49:32

it's oh now you're threatening you or

49:33

some Washington he threatened I'm

49:35

killing you your dad just like that they

49:37

took a lot of income and farmers

49:39

grandchildren and everybody that's what

49:40

kind of crazy he wasn't gone a week that

49:43

I was on another trip to Hollywood so

49:45

then what happened woman Rome when Rose

49:47

announcer commissioned to go to Catalina

49:50

Ken and so was Joe Kennedy Bobby and job

49:54

of course they weren't getting what they

49:56

wanted

49:56

so they were gonna set up my own Munroe

49:58

we're Bobby and John one more time

50:01

because they don't love fucking her and

50:03

they were gonna film it like they did

50:04

with James remover they had jr. over in

50:06

that block over the years

50:07

so now cuz he was a crossdresser they

50:09

set up the party yep so they're gonna do

50:11

the same thing now mmm they had Marilyn

50:13

think I didn't like and I was with Frank

50:15

my pictures that pictures around that

50:18

pool with Sinatra laying there another

50:20

singer he was just up there plan and but

50:23

Sam Giancana was there everybody was

50:25

there and they were doing it Sam's crazy

50:27

I love Sam but they had house so strung

50:29

out that you know where she was because

50:31

she hated she's so in love with John

50:33

Johnson became president who's gonna

50:35

leave Jackie Mary off ah are you crazy

50:38

then she found with Bobby so they

50:41

thought and they had the room or rigna

50:43

with the sophistication we had today but

50:46

they had it John don't show doesn't show

50:48

yeah business couldn't come so at least

50:50

they said let's get Bob inna cuz he's

50:52

the one busting balls

50:53

let's get Bobby Bobby and her have an

50:55

conversation unbeknownst to everybody he

50:59

says fuck you I'm going your brother you

51:01

and I'm going to public they didn't know

51:04

that she said that she calls Joe

51:06

DiMaggio in San Francisco

51:08

Joe come and get me I got to get out of

51:10

here cuz she will fucked up Joe makes

51:13

the mistaken call Sinatra what's going

51:16

on there Frank

51:17

he's mining business don't come here in

51:19

Hong Kong

51:19

if Jay married at that time they were

51:21

divorced they were divorce but if Joe

51:24

came who knows she may still be alive or

51:27

next to home but no he didn't come Bobby

51:30

leaves everybody leaves she leaves in a

51:32

half two days later she's dead two days

51:35

later no overdose

51:36

she died of oxygen it's why I laugh

51:38

they're gonna exhume her body same I

51:40

mean I know so many people I know the

51:43

guy who does it they have a guy and

51:45

you're for hope me an organ and she had

51:47

pubic hair so they kept pumping oxygen

51:49

throughout for over here on the tushy

51:51

that's it had an aneurysm

51:53

Wow then they threw all this growth

51:55

which added up builds it or anyway how

51:57

certain are you of this story like how

51:58

I'll bet on all my kids are you crazy

52:02

you've been I would never say that I

52:04

know what I knew who they sent in this

52:07

guy works for everybody this guy worked

52:09

for everybody the government this it was

52:11

attacked it was thought he was a trained

52:13

trained doctor no they used him a couple

52:15

of times is it named public no he is so

52:18

respected with everybody everybody used

52:20

them CIA is Omar museum how about Great

52:24

Britain used once

52:25

Khrushchev used to this comes in the

52:27

world yes oh yeah he was the master

52:29

lives in Switzerland so popes that he

52:31

been didn't you and Frank still have a

52:33

relationship oh yeah at the end over

52:35

here we come back you obese we're just

52:36

gonna go he knows he's wrong

52:38

he thinks he's Caesar you know the

52:42

funniest story I'll tell you that the

52:44

last time I saw him was right down the

52:46

block

52:46

Jimmy West involved John Gotti he's at

52:49

Radio City Music Hall he's calling the

52:51

wall of Jonas on some of his people he

52:54

wanted 10 tickets from Sailaja John

52:56

Kennedy tickets he wants a New York he

52:57

didn't need so that's just as possible

52:59

nobody's calling we're in Jimmy Weston's

53:01

I really didn't want to go cuz I mean I

53:03

like those guys but I'm not

53:05

that guy that goes has dinner with them

53:07

the certain people I'll go with John was

53:10

out of control already he didn't like me

53:12

so I said Jojo why do I want to go Joe

53:14

was trying to make amends all the time I

53:16

made him I didn't want to be bothered

53:17

with so now we're sitting at the front

53:20

there was a little culvert the old Jimmy

53:22

westerns go down steps is old sofa so

53:24

we're sitting here John liked to sit

53:25

there go look at the bar and the birds

53:27

and all that this dumb stupid waiter

53:29

comes from behind John you're not gonna

53:31

believe this in the back Frank Sinatra

53:32

Don Rickles with their wives and I could

53:35

see John's whole demeanor change and

53:37

he's whispered to Joe watching his ear

53:39

next thing you know the waiter comes

53:42

with two bottles of Cristal from Sinatra

53:45

to John which is the biggest insult in

53:47

the world and that's while John drank

53:49

you know when he was out why is that the

53:51

biggest insult because you oh it's my

53:53

cause they want to buy me booze I don't

53:55

need your booze so he says to Joe take

53:58

those two boughs and go show him up his

54:00

ass now you can tell Joe Joe's very

54:04

loyal so Joe pick the bottles drag the

54:07

bull off and walk back there and I'm

54:10

sighs slide down to my seat I don't know

54:12

man so now picture this table Sinatra

54:15

Barbara Marx Don Rickles and his wife

54:18

so as we hear the story later Joe goes

54:21

back to it to two pounds puts them on

54:23

the table is what's that about

54:24

this is get up come on destroy the kids

54:26

so Celeste and he looks at Jilly Joe

54:29

without looking at Jilly like what

54:31

you're saying with the bottle crack some

54:33

guys down full bottle of Cristal you get

54:35

dead Joe it's 207 pounds done Don

54:38

Rickles pisses and shits his pants are

54:44

you gonna be serious he wouldn't show

54:46

it's like the ODE of the stitch what's

54:48

ridiculous so he comes back and people

54:52

are running out because first of all

54:54

they see what's going on

54:55

everybody's running outs of John sitting

54:57

there like Jose do that and then you

54:59

smell off of that they couldn't do it

55:02

everybody win I mean Don Rickles and

55:04

while you hear about that but he

55:05

literally did it right then in that I

55:09

mean Joe's a scary guy you ever see job

55:11

no look him up now Joe and I were

55:13

together since we're 14 I had was he

55:15

just as tough at 14 as he

55:17

you know later on he got worse I feel

55:21

bad because he always saw me and I know

55:23

him and he said I want to get it too

55:25

what you Tyson can do you know I'm not

55:26

doing anything believe me he's well and

55:29

then Maddie the horse owned all the

55:32

nightclubs up here the peppermint lounge

55:33

and all that and he knew he was being

55:35

robbed so in a conversation there was a

55:38

conversation envelopes had to go out to

55:39

people you didn't have those clubs and

55:42

they say what's the we're a little idea

55:43

well I don't know what's going on

55:46

so he wanted a non-italian because he

55:48

figured if you knew Italians they're

55:50

gonna know who the guy is so Joe Watts

55:51

was fresh Joe to German but big so he

55:54

put him on the door and in a week two

55:56

weekends three weekends Joey knew

55:58

everybody that was Robin so Maddie you

56:01

know many of us are mmm Maddy to us and

56:04

Manny and yelling he owned Umberto's

56:06

with Joe gallo got killed on his 40th

56:08

birthday

56:08

that's Mattie Ross God you guys okay

56:11

owned a lot of clubs and Whitman very

56:13

mobbed up he said you sure about this is

56:15

I'm so sure I want you to call your

56:17

doorman staff term eating and Umberto's

56:21

so you figured this guy cannabis he's

56:23

gonna tell us so he gets there he says

56:26

you know John we were all having

56:27

problems with money missing and I don't

56:29

want to point a finger at anybody you

56:30

know Joe to German and there won't look

56:32

like what's he doing in he said Joe gave

56:34

me an accounting and he says he has the

56:35

answers

56:36

and now they're all wiggling and it was

56:38

his nephew who led this group of

56:41

skimming the money from his own uncle

56:43

Maddie's sister Joe do you see the guy

56:45

yeah he's yeah that's him right there

56:47

was his nephew and then that he made the

56:49

mistake of calling Joe a liar is would

56:52

you just say you're a liar is you're

56:55

dead

56:56

Manny come on kill him cuz Joe kill you

57:00

right there he's done it you don't play

57:02

with job

57:03

you can never call me I'm an honorable

57:05

guy and this kids like he was waiting

57:09

for his uncle said you can't kill him

57:10

his uncle said you're gonna learn the

57:13

hard way

57:14

oh they didn't kill him though but they

57:16

he was banned from the family forever

57:18

Wow that's when it was what year is it

57:21

72 my god yeah seventies eighties yeah

57:23

so let's go seven days every one of

57:26

these I mean you you act it in a move

57:28

you were in a movie that if the greatest

57:30

movie of all time man you call it right

57:32

I mean it's just crazy what happened

57:33

with this that's my life how do I walk

57:36

at a Pablo Escobar's torture chamber

57:38

after three days I'm here yeah well then

57:40

how do I go see Sodom ooh saying how do

57:43

I got me how do I flee from your country

57:45

how do I leave your country honestly

57:48

it's about Johnny

57:49

if Headley these stories are true

57:50

they're crazy I told you earlier of 10%

57:52

of these resorts right well the funny is

57:54

they never all sure that's the funny I'm

57:56

just telling you I mean if somebody's

57:57

listening to this ain't come on John you

57:59

cannot tell me these are true but if I'm

58:01

telling you 50% are true this is crazy

58:04

what all the experiences you had but

58:06

what happened with Marlon Brando you

58:07

take the part you go he finds that you

58:10

playing Carlo then what happened

58:13

apparently only matter confrontation

58:15

because I was Francis Ford Coppola idea

58:17

we were up to patch his out of 19 he

58:19

took the back room there nobody's in the

58:22

back room during the day because that's

58:23

where they have the cigarette games that

58:25

night after midnight so the whole cast

58:27

is sitting around the table I've never

58:29

said we're gonna have a cold reading I

58:31

thought it'll turn the air-conditioning

58:32

on I don't know what they were doing and

58:34

I never read a script before first time

58:35

I saw the script I copied my loins from

58:37

the book and I made these things now I

58:39

have actual script I'm on a call sheet I

58:41

see a million an actor and I go with my

58:46

Chinese chick so far I got a Brioni suit

58:48

on and I'm waiting to see all these

58:49

actors sterling Hayden comes his hair

58:51

all messed up I mean even even Diane

58:54

Keaton she like combat boots on walls

58:56

everybody was scuzzy nobody was

58:58

addressed you know I remember the great

59:00

actors Fred Astaire you the way he

59:02

looked Cary Grant on vevo god these

59:05

people look like my god in a dress

59:06

better than them so now we're all

59:08

sitting around the table and Francis

59:09

says you know I want you

59:11

all introduce yourselves we know your

59:13

who you are but let's just break that

59:15

we're a family now

59:16

and I want the Italians to exaggerate

59:18

their mannerisms to teach the non

59:20

attacks like James Caan is Jewish Marlon

59:23

Brando's polish and he had all kinds of

59:25

food and now everybody just read the

59:27

script just read it but it got to you

59:29

about region line so we got out malambri

59:31

acting it's just really no yep just to

59:34

get familiar yeah yeah so Marlon Brando

59:37

then we all started laughing he was

59:38

gonna say I'm all preventable but we

59:40

didn't have to say not he got up and he

59:41

sat down then Pacino got up on that but

59:44

she don't play Michael and win around

59:45

little table came to me I'm Johnny Russo

59:47

playing call all and I'm dressed like

59:49

the a lawyer we go around we do the

59:51

first read-through we have a break on

59:53

the call sheet it says big lens do not

59:56

approach mr. Brando so nobody went near

59:59

him let me ask you at that time he's got

60:01

in Hollywood Marlon Brando's got a

60:03

definitely caught as an actor yeah

60:05

that's what I'm saying yeah I mean on

60:07

the world I'm calling the greatest of

60:09

all time yeah 30 yeah yeah don't talk to

60:12

him that's what set Gurkhas he's not

60:15

nuts I know everybody there cuz I go to

60:17

it so I'm at the bar talking this and

60:19

the other I come back in and he comes

60:21

over to me Marlon Brando and I'm saying

60:23

was this guy coming up early he says to

60:26

me you were a big TV actor I said no I

60:29

was like 26 at the time you got a big

60:31

movie coming out Chris O'Donnell is

60:33

really not on Broadway and everybody on

60:34

Broadway is who just study with mrs.

60:37

study what wait this he calls Frances oh

60:40

this is Francis Francis Ford Coppola

60:43

this is do you understand who this guy

60:46

is he's I can't even tell you who he is

60:49

he thought I was talking about you know

60:50

cuz he knew I got they can't find me

60:53

you're the director do anything else you

60:55

want this kid he's embedded but the

60:58

reasons I told you earlier that's right

61:00

I never broke down a script of what my

61:02

meaning is my pod people do he did it

61:06

for me he marries my daughter he

61:08

undermines my oldest son Sonny for the

61:10

barzinis he gets him killed it to toe

61:12

boots my son Michael tries to avenge his

61:15

death he has to leave this country my

61:17

whole family is destroyed like this guy

61:19

you better get another actor just like

61:21

that I'm saying myself

61:23

wait a minute I just had a big party I

61:26

told everybody's in this movie and

61:28

everybody was saying the same thing you

61:29

saying how you gonna be in this movie

61:31

you crazy not an act to get out of here

61:33

Johnny

61:34

this is that us get out of here I said

61:36

tell me I'm in the movie I have a big

61:37

party I didn't have a party on 5060

61:39

patches so now I said you know I longer

61:42

you're fired

61:42

I'm gonna then make my move so I don't

61:45

know protocol that I can't dismiss the

61:47

director even in the rehearsal he's the

61:49

director

61:50

mm-hmm so I said Frances go over there

61:53

been annoyed and he went now the whole

61:55

room is sailing laughs is this kid then

61:58

I did the next sacrilege I put my arm on

62:01

Brent though let's come over here with

62:03

me and I walked into the back cuz I

62:05

didn't want to embarrass the guy so

62:06

sooner we get out of here shot I had my

62:09

arm on him let me just tell you

62:11

something you fucked us up for me you

62:14

hear what I'm telling you I will suck on

62:16

your heart right here who'd I tell you

62:18

to destroy my upper - it goes your

62:20

Marlon Brando he stepped back I didn't

62:22

know what he was gonna do he said that

62:24

was brilliant

62:24

he thought I was acting he came out of

62:29

the room he told me told friends

62:39

and then from there started she's with

62:42

me every day I couldn't get rid of them

62:44

every day cuz then he said now we're

62:46

talking yeah and everybody really get

62:48

pissed now took my Jimmy Carter's balls

62:50

like this look at this guy and the fact

62:52

that it's being shot instead 9 which is

62:54

where you grow up you know everybody

62:55

everybody would have to pee have to peel

62:58

with my wedding we're at my real

62:59

weddings the bane me no more ele on the

63:02

bandstand played for two different

63:03

weddings for me they wanted an Italian

63:05

wedding bill as I got him up come on how

63:08

you gonna get that

63:09

so wedding cake LaRosa's bakery make my

63:12

wedding cake I said what kind of cake is

63:14

all we want to sustain out with the

63:15

kosaka phony well how many tiers 6 I get

63:17

the King for you and I make money for

63:19

everybody

63:20

get the King Chatham 1,500 I get 500

63:23

they said what how are they gonna get it

63:26

done they couldn't get it done not

63:28

worship I mean insane what made his

63:31

style of acting like what like what did

63:34

he have a role like did he have a

63:36

routine right before he was doing

63:37

was there anything that to him was

63:39

random yeah random becomes don't forget

63:42

he's 3-4 hours of makeup yeah 3-4 hours

63:44

of makeup makeup yeah as that

63:48

transformations coming

63:49

the guy who were talking to when he

63:50

walked in I was in there a lot with dick

63:52

Smith my time the transformation is

63:55

resume and if it was a serious part

63:57

forget about it this guy was major I

64:00

mean he taught me everything the closing

64:02

scene he says you've never done this

64:03

before he says you're gonna be projected

64:05

in a single shot 20 feet of course is

64:08

you know you're gonna die and everybody

64:10

in the audience is gonna know you do

64:12

that you're gonna die

64:13

how are you gonna prove you know you

64:15

know or you don't know how you're gonna

64:16

batter you know don't know that you

64:18

don't know cuz you know what the

64:19

audience to know you're gonna die yeah

64:21

when he says get the hell on my face

64:22

right yeah I said what should I do is

64:24

I'm gonna give you some clothes it's

64:26

when he does this scenes with you first

64:28

of all whisper a lot of stuff you don't

64:29

like you want this to be between him and

64:31

you don't let the rest of the guys here

64:33

cuz you know they kill he's when he had

64:34

you a ticket looked down make sure

64:37

there's a ticket dead like you really

64:39

think you're gonna get out of it all

64:41

those little nuances he did that I got

64:43

not act wow he did but like even used to

64:46

when he hands you to drink don't get too

64:49

nervous to portrays it let him push it

64:51

up to you he did all that cuz I was so

64:53

afraid of Michael at that point so you

64:55

up until that when he walked in when I

64:57

got up and said Michael please you got

64:59

it overall I thought I could call him

65:00

too but at that point but he she said

65:03

one to show that transition and I'm the

65:04

people you know I got recognized in the

65:06

con Film Festival as most promising

65:08

newcomer they thought this well that was

65:10

grateful for quits I mean it's two

65:12

scenes that's crazy it's not just like

65:13

it's like one oh yeah

65:15

the other scene is which scene the scene

65:17

is where Sonny comes after you right

65:19

there was a baseball god yeah that's a

65:21

sick sense of calm cover yeah and he he

65:25

actually hits you with the bat by the

65:26

way I got hit me on the battery you guys

65:28

had issues like him a lot issues he

65:30

almost got me killed

65:31

he got me killed about the third third

65:33

weekends and throw two ribs of yours

65:35

well that was good crawling uh that was

65:36

still in that scene yeah he chipped my

65:38

elbow broke two ribs hit me with the bat

65:40

there was no bat when we rehearsed it

65:42

two days in a row he came up with that

65:44

improvising when he comes out of con

65:47

throws the bat and he hit me right in

65:49

the head

65:49

I mean but then thank God we're behind

65:52

the car but he thought I'd never get up

65:54

no he's over at that guy right Jimmy

65:57

Caan is so jealous I mean it's over now

66:00

but have you guys reconnected those day

66:03

I don't know I've never talked to you'd

66:04

never talk to him I'm not that guy he

66:06

always got me literally killed literally

66:08

with Junya come my bazooka who took over

66:10

the coal my family no jr. ye he set me

66:14

up and thank God I was with Tommy

66:15

Bilotti and Busey DeCicco if I wasn't

66:17

with those two guys I don't think they

66:19

were to kill me but I wasn't going on

66:21

the set Monday what was Pacino like she

66:23

knows gray Pacino when we met Pacino he

66:25

was just such a humble guy really well

66:28

he was a true actor mom and Pacino was

66:31

young and wanted to do this magic plane

66:33

Michael acquits career when no Pacino's

66:36

and I still love Pacino you know he's

66:38

got a lot of problems now oh I did any

66:41

given Sunday you know that mmm that's

66:42

what a white movies

66:43

you weren't super mario brothers as well

66:44

I think I did Seabiscuit yeah we only

66:48

got one Oscar nomination don't we give

66:49

more Seabiscuit why Jeff Bridges and

66:52

Tobey Maguire were awfully good of em I

66:54

thought it was a great movie

66:55

yeah I thought it was a great moment

66:56

here I mean I nicknamed one of our sales

66:58

guys Seabiscuit really I use I said

67:01

listen your nickname is Seabiscuit

67:02

moving for every time he calls me what

67:03

my phone would say Seabiscuit after the

67:05

movie came out so Pacino stop did he

67:07

have a routine or would he just

67:09

immediately bone he was in it right away

67:12

was there like there

67:13

I actually was invited one afternoon

67:16

where those three houses that were on

67:18

the compound

67:19

they took them where they were our

67:21

dressing rooms I didn't have trailers up

67:23

there there that was the confines up

67:25

there was so small so our base camp was

67:26

those houses everybody else was down in

67:29

the community college and they'd bust

67:30

them off but I used to watch these guys

67:32

do improv improvisation and get into

67:35

characters I mean I saw Al Pacino which

67:38

I couldn't even to today and there was

67:41

Jimmy call in the room Robert Duvall

67:43

these are all thespians yeah I mean this

67:46

is a legend a legend they would compete

67:48

against each other

67:49

Al Pacino did an improvisation of a

67:52

one-legged man cured up his ball playing

67:55

golf

67:57

and no ball no club put the tea in the

68:00

ground balancing himself one leg and put

68:02

the ball on it then go back for the

68:04

swing and it full get up again I mean

68:08

you I mean for a while that you thought

68:11

he had one leg you put the two legs

68:14

together come together but that's what

68:16

came that balancing who's in the room

68:18

when he's doing that all of you only

68:19

only actors are allowed in there and

68:20

everyone's seen him do this and then

68:22

they try to beat dance and do oh he's a

68:24

challenge had it was an accident it was

68:27

it an exercise Wow I mean who shocked

68:29

everybody was there anybody that was

68:31

like cuz Pacino you're expecting him

68:33

Casal John Casal a brilliant actor what

68:36

did he do just the things they did you

68:38

know they they'd read books it was no

68:40

books they challenge each other then

68:42

they would come a part of it they were

68:45

all do yeah totally improvisation it's

68:48

great to see that it was a great lesson

68:49

for me what it what has that movie done

68:51

to your life I don't think I have a life

68:53

I don't know what I mean I thought you

68:55

and that's a great question because

68:56

sitting here now 50 years 50 years is

68:59

crazy what I have amassed I mean I'm a

69:02

businessman I own not old I don't say

69:04

that cos government I represent all the

69:07

ip's I'm the ambassador ambassador the

69:10

quarterly old brands

69:11

Genco olive oil the company that I

69:12

represent haunted with Greco brothers in

69:16

Chicago they do six big in a year in

69:20

saying food groceries without us we're

69:23

about to go to 18,000 grocery stores

69:25

it's the biggest launch ever because

69:28

it's the Godfather it's new product

69:30

random but one of the oldest brains in

69:32

the world

69:33

listen everybody knows this brain Iran

69:36

we would watch God there translated in

69:38

Farsi I mean got it brother was like

69:40

required the watching you know you had

69:42

to watch so funny you just said that

69:44

Mike my two grandsons live in Italy and

69:46

my mom my one grandson sneaks close to

69:49

me yeah I don't have a good relationship

69:50

but a lot of my kids and he says to me

69:52

poppy

69:52

how many languages you speak we're

69:55

talking about he's I turned the

69:57

television

69:58

Chinese you're talking Farsi kiddo no

70:02

he's 8 years old what does he know he

70:04

thinks I'm a genius right

70:05

but think about this guy speaks 20

70:07

languages yeah because we watched

70:10

godfather translated apart have you

70:12

probably seen it to see what it looks

70:14

like I liked looking at that those kind

70:16

of things yeah last last story last

70:19

story I've interviewed Jim Jenkins Jim

70:21

Jenkins was the guide that was one to

70:24

four guys in the autopsy room that held

70:26

JFK's brain in his hands I interviewed

70:28

Clint Hill who was a Secret Service

70:30

agent for Jackie Kennedy was Secret

70:32

Service agent think for like five

70:33

presidents and he was the first guy that

70:35

jumped on the car when Dealey Plaza

70:37

later so you know Clint Ellis and a

70:38

bunch of other guys that have to do with

70:40

JFK what's your version the story two

70:42

days prior let me do that I went to New

70:44

Orleans

70:45

and I've run an envelope down which I

70:47

brownie envelopes here we go and I go

70:49

into to call us his restaurant and I

70:53

just came from New York and I ran into

70:55

the bathroom he says somebody in there

70:57

so a few minutes later a guy comes out I

70:59

gonna be I go and he just put down a big

71:03

plate if they knew I like pasta bowl go

71:04

away he'll dump they've unbelievable and

71:07

I sit down he says don't get comfortable

71:09

that's what do you mean he's got to go

71:10

back you got something for me I gave him

71:12

the elbow I just want to get rid of em

71:13

all up to begin with I said to mr. C

71:15

wants to know he's just telling this

71:18

it's all so he told me go back to New

71:20

York right go take a shower upstairs

71:23

come down and gonna meet him at 11

71:25

o'clock commit is what what's what did

71:27

he say he says it's on okay he slides

71:30

the manila envelope over to me he's this

71:32

$15,000 in cash and then there's

71:34

Merchant Marine papers and you're

71:37

leaving in there this week on the

71:39

independence it's okay is where you

71:42

going is you going on the ship this is

71:44

essentially gonna know when you land in

71:46

Barcelona come off the ship command I'll

71:49

meet you at the pier they'll have a card

71:51

name on it it's okay I said well he says

71:54

they'll tell you that then one that's I

71:56

did this so many times you know cuz I

71:59

didn't want to know he didn't want me to

72:00

know thank God he didn't want me to know

72:02

so now I go get all my clothes if it

72:05

eight thousand cash for spending money

72:07

oh and he said you're gonna go to go to

72:09

Layton's I set you up at Layton's we

72:10

weren't wearing Boronia he says go

72:12

Layton's get some closure be at the

72:14

captain's table every night

72:15

captain Bennington's to captain the ship

72:18

okay so I get on board and I'm going to

72:21

have to go had crude that care to go to

72:24

where the crew was and they said no sir

72:26

you have to go over your passenger ID

72:27

Gucci luggage it the reason he got me on

72:30

the ship as a hand dresser she has a

72:32

Merchant Marine there's no passports

72:35

there's nothing he didn't want anybody

72:37

know where I was going that's how much

72:39

she protected me Wow

72:41

I was gone 22 months I leave we're going

72:44

under the Verrazano Bridge I can

72:46

remember like yesterday on the

72:48

loudspeaker they said President Kennedy

72:50

has just been shot and he was dead I'm

72:54

getting chills even repeating it I said

72:56

oh my god cuz I just spent so much time

72:59

with John F Kennedy I went to do your

73:01

normal I was with Senator John Kennedy

73:04

watching a baby sitting for years while

73:06

they were grooming this guy that wasn't

73:07

enough now that night in the dining that

73:10

we could I mean could then now a later

73:13

on hours later they mentioned he's dead

73:15

and then I saw this is insane because I

73:19

was with I brought envelopes I went to

73:22

Texas when they convinced Lyndon Baines

73:24

Johnson to join the ticket

73:26

even though he had all these votes they

73:27

knew they needed Texas and Lyndon Baines

73:30

Johnson him like up kid I need you

73:31

couldn't stand the family but they he

73:34

knew they said to him before his terms

73:37

out you'll be President who told him

73:39

that I can't tell you tell him that

73:41

that's why I came along for the ride

73:42

that's why he brought him to the knoll

73:44

he was the only guy to brought him there

73:46

nobody brought that out yet and there

73:48

was three shooters that's why those guys

73:50

when they saw him they knew he wasn't

73:52

shot by Oswald and guess what happened

73:53

to me now we go next morning I get up on

73:57

a telex newspaper the guy that was in

73:59

the bathroom who you Harvey Oswald

74:02

Marcelo's hired him they wanted their

74:04

own hitters they needed trust anybody

74:07

three hitters the guy in the suit aren t

74:10

that someone's gonna get him the guy in

74:12

the sewer was the dead bullet that was

74:15

the boat that they can't figure out how

74:17

it made left's and rights

74:19

a good friend of mine too and what they

74:21

did to him they found him in a barrel

74:23

you know 73 people died since the

74:25

Kennedy assassination they took out 73

74:27

people calmly though he's gonna tell you

74:29

that shit

74:30

that's why then they did what they did

74:33

you know but Bobby sitting in the front

74:35

seat when that happened governor yeah

74:38

and he knew what's gonna happen we don't

74:41

know so do you come at LBJ you don't

74:43

know you just know what you heard that's

74:45

all that's all I ever do okay and not

74:47

even know that and you don't even know

74:49

that it's only hearsay

74:50

got it yeah you know it's everybody's

74:53

curious Manning you you would wonder you

74:55

would think like after all these years

74:56

you know a guy like that when all these

74:59

things coming out someone's gonna come

75:00

out and tell the truth on what took

75:02

place

75:02

someone with uh well there's a lot in my

75:04

book I'll tell you that yeah I mean I've

75:06

had even when you know when we when they

75:08

was um I was devastated because I really

75:12

liked the guy and not nor do I ever want

75:15

to say I was part of a conspiracy but

75:18

indirectly how I do was bring um boats

75:20

like her was dead and I was questioned

75:22

by everybody believe me and I waited 22

75:24

months I came back after 22 months I was

75:26

gone you were in Italy I started in

75:29

Spain the guy who picked me up we took

75:31

our time and I realized why and then I

75:34

finally got to Sicily and I stay we're

75:35

very close friend of mine who just

75:37

recently passed on and that was it what

75:41

a life you live all these stories I said

75:45

Davis they would say them nice and

75:47

Costello would tell who go go go go for

75:51

was the boss unless Lee says you want to

75:53

keep this guy happy to skip runs you get

75:56

his own food get him women you Grace

75:59

Kelly anything with Grace Kelly ER and

76:01

all I can

76:02

yep it's funny they did a story on me a

76:04

couple yeah a couple of months ago why I

76:06

didn't talk about Grace Kelly and I said

76:08

you know we're talking about Grace

76:09

Kelly's like talking about the Blessed

76:10

Mother I know Grace Kelly when she was

76:12

staying here on 63rd Street and

76:14

Lexington Avenue Barbara's not hotel a

76:16

family from Philadelphia sent to you for

76:19

finishing schools Costello would give me

76:22

an envelope to go to the floor monitor

76:24

after nine o'clock and this guy do we

76:27

used to call it flowers for the table

76:29

Branko gets me some flowers and I'd give

76:32

the guy the money and then one night it

76:34

was Grace Kelly when Audrey Hepburn and

76:37

two other socialites and I drop them at

76:39

the Copa or Latin Quarter they want to

76:42

be Woodrow Wilson they're all these guys

76:44

that's what it was all about and that's

76:46

one thing what Costello he took care of

76:48

everybody newspaper people police

76:50

department may is everywhere presidents

76:53

the amount of presidents they control

76:55

the ridiculous ridiculous how was the

76:57

race Kelly's personality more the

76:59

personalities and how amazing yeah

77:01

amazing lady and I was on it I were

77:04

talking I was at every every year

77:06

Princess Grace carriage horse my Monaco

77:10

yeah but what's interesting every year I

77:13

was at the Red Cross ball sitting with

77:15

Frank Sinatra everybody else Carrie

77:18

anybody was alive I was there E and

77:21

everybody said like who is this kid

77:23

last question Nixon mobbed up with Nixon

77:26

my oh my god yeah Nixon Nixon was I mean

77:29

there's so many that were but Nixon and

77:32

I kept thinking of people didn't figure

77:33

this out we all know Jimmy Hoffa while

77:35

he was in pre-op found God yeah and it's

77:38

gonna come out and this particular time

77:40

obvious on the FBI wiretap all over the

77:43

world they got me they I knew I was

77:45

screwed so but the good news indirectly

77:48

he got me out of that mess because I

77:50

just borrowed 72 million dollars of the

77:53

Teamsters and put my hotel in Vegas so

77:56

and I was borrowing a lot of money but

77:57

you don't have papist what do you need

77:59

to get it so he was gonna come out and

78:01

disclose Frank Fitzsimmons and all of

78:04

them or what they did with the pension

78:06

fund and the Brotherhood would vote him

78:08

in so they called Nixon they said I mean

78:11

yeah Nixon this she got a pardon Jimmy

78:15

Hoffa is what is important to me offer

78:17

any pardons certain killer

78:21

that's the story nobody ever tell you

78:23

that story he pardoned Jimmy Hoffa

78:25

Suzuki watch Jimmy officer certain

78:28

people can kill him who killed him Jimmy

78:30

Cooney Jimmy uh Jimmy James Cooney

78:34

something like that a name like that

78:36

he's a prison right now

78:37

yeah yeah it's apparently that's the

78:40

story I mean there's obviously a lot of

78:41

different stories when it comes out

78:42

tonight

78:43

well that's why I laugh all the time

78:45

when they saying oh the FBI has a tip

78:48

that they just buried in a farm they go

78:50

didn't dig up father

78:51

nothing comes up yeah I'll tell you what

78:53

Jimmy out there is how's that that Buick

78:56

they took the axles out and the motor

78:58

block out and they delivered it to

79:01

friends of us and they crushed it in

79:04

that car question thing and mob guys

79:06

were bidding on that pedestal it's a 4x4

79:09

piece of steel the friction heat and all

79:12

that there is no DNA there's nothing and

79:16

they say oh there's a couple of us that

79:18

know the story it's Wayne said oh he was

79:20

buried in the giant stadium means he's

79:22

buried they come up with all these

79:23

stories with Jimmy Hoffa is Jimmy Hoffa

79:26

is in a mob bosses basement game room

79:29

with a eight-foot piece of plate glass

79:32

over it and they put their feet up it's

79:35

only certain guys know that man that's

79:38

nuts

79:38

let's talk about this book Mario you

79:41

guys had joined us you just sitting here

79:43

like what we were talking about the now

79:47

last thank-yous and this is a novel this

79:49

is not true story based on a many

79:53

fictional stories here not just so Nick

79:56

Pileggi from Goodfellas Gianna Russo has

80:00

seen a lot done a lot and tells a lot

80:01

amazing Gay Talese generous as a true

80:04

character who has led the most colorful

80:06

life so what else can you tell us about

80:09

this book it's coming out what it's

80:10

coming on next come out March 12th year

80:12

March 12th

80:12

okay what else do we know that's gonna

80:14

be in this book I know you talked about

80:16

some stuff which shot what else is in

80:17

here the Vatican lot of stuff about

80:19

Hollywood a lot of ins and outs and

80:21

movie stars friends I've been with great

80:24

story about Josh and Gabor you got to

80:25

read

80:26

it's amazing I can't tell you what

80:27

happened in how he used his house that's

80:29

just so many great stories a lot of fun

80:31

things a lot of stories of how the

80:35

Godfather movie saved my life especially

80:37

Pablo Escobar I don't know his death cuz

80:40

you don't had a problem with two of his

80:42

guys went there because you know they

80:44

they believe in something here so when I

80:47

haven't had an incident my Columbia

80:50

State Street and I had to shoot this guy

80:52

after he spared this woman and he slit

80:55

my throat

80:56

and I just took him out only to find out

80:59

he was an underboss with Pablo Escobar

81:02

and they were just setting up a whole

81:04

new thing in Vegas

81:05

of drugs and his brother Lorenzen when

81:09

Delia was like this and he had to he

81:13

asked the Avengers brother's death they

81:15

believe in something here so I didn't

81:18

know anything about this Oscar Goodman

81:20

we were talking about earlier and then

81:22

different people at the time they got a

81:24

girl from UNLV to tell me about the son

81:27

Satya cuz I came home there was the

81:29

whole thing of my living room floor and

81:31

I live in secured compound and this is

81:33

on my rug and that my daughter pitcher

81:37

which Salome and is a chicken and all

81:39

this stuff

81:39

on my rug like steaks what circle and

81:41

she had to explain to me she said well

81:44

you are marked for death but they're

81:46

gonna avenge anybody and anything your

81:49

pets they'll kill you'll be the last to

81:51

go so I came to New York to meet Gotti

81:54

who's the only one I think I know he was

81:56

diving saved directly to him so again I

81:58

gotta say my good friend Joe watts

82:00

he's like this with John I said I gotta

82:03

talk to John they arranged it I come

82:04

here and I was wondering for the longest

82:06

time not a long time in a couple hours

82:08

while I was waiting to get on the plane

82:09

why is he doing this he figured out I

82:12

got that never come back he thought I'm

82:13

done with this guy finally so he

82:15

arranged for me to go to it I went I

82:17

went to Bogota because I figured let me

82:19

appeal to this guy I know my kids killed

82:22

and all this and friends of mine I had

82:24

nothing to do with this and I said if I

82:26

had a minute to tell him don't let him

82:28

kill me I don't care I don't want

82:29

nothing to happen to my kids and I went

82:32

and I met him in a church I felt good

82:33

about that and then when I want him you

82:35

know Pablo yeah Pablo and he was in a

82:37

church

82:38

the image of who I thought it was and he

82:40

was praying and the closer I got to my

82:42

smell flesh he was burning his

82:44

fingertips

82:45

I don't know mess with some kind of

82:47

penance he was burning his fingertips on

82:49

the candles as he was praying and as I'm

82:52

walking down the aisle to get to him

82:55

every time I walked 10 15 feet you hear

82:58

creaking of the pews and guys were

83:00

sitting up with guns so I thought I was

83:02

there alone there was about ten fifteen

83:05

guys in the church so all I remember is

83:07

going in to him and I said mr. Escobar I

83:11

gotta tell you and that's all I got out

83:13

I woke up chained to chairs my clothes

83:17

were stripped off of me the seat had no

83:20

bottom and there were body bags blood

83:22

all over I mean the stench in that room

83:24

and these guys were just having fun with

83:27

me then one day a man I'm sitting like

83:29

I'm done I don't know how many hours I

83:32

was there a guy neatly dressed standing

83:35

in front of me necessarily talked about

83:37

the Godfather and what it means to me he

83:40

says to me why don't you tell me you

83:42

will call him the Godfather and it was

83:44

Pablo Escobar you just take him upstairs

83:45

and clean them so I go he gave me some

83:48

pills that I was in pain they had a

83:50

shame and like a ball you know what

83:53

rubber on it and there be hitting me in

83:55

my groin area I mean my rectum and balls

83:58

I mean I couldn't even move for like I

84:01

walk like an old man at that time and he

84:03

very apologetic he gave me some pills

84:05

like if they took me to the room I

84:07

stayed there he says sleep I don't know

84:09

how long I slept next thing you know I'm

84:11

all dressed in one of them you know

84:13

those white beautiful colors

84:14

I mean having dinner with him and he

84:17

says to me I'm so sorry but my people

84:20

treated you like this I'm saying was a

84:22

you did you that's all not your people

84:24

and we talked for a long time and he

84:27

says tell me why did you come here I

84:29

said I had nothing to do with this you

84:31

are man or whoever he was because I

84:33

didn't want to directly say it's your

84:35

guy that's whoever you sent he breaks a

84:38

crystal bottle sticks it in this lady's

84:40

face I go to try to rectify it

84:43

I told him leave I did I said you know

84:45

Simon's too coming for you get out of

84:47

here

84:47

like if it was somebody and they're both

84:49

gonna have it I was I don't want to be

84:50

it Oh

84:51

the warden said the trial for two months

84:53

for you I said get out of here they said

84:55

no bond I said nobody with mom his mom

84:58

then I realized you know but I didn't

85:00

know he had the bottle yet in that zone

85:02

and that's when he went from my neck

85:04

yeah and I went back and that's why this

85:06

gin was hanging so now I have the green

85:09

light and I could play with it once I

85:11

know it's self-defense

85:12

that's all anybody I killed with

85:14

self-defense in fact the last judge I

85:16

was in front

85:17

this is mr. Russo I understand about all

85:20

the self-defense

85:21

he's been if you kill another person and

85:23

you don't open your shirt and there's a

85:24

big s on your chest

85:26

you're good shit crazy things with so if

85:31

you're enamored by all the stories he is

85:33

telling you Kate today in this interview

85:35

to sit down Gordon is book click on a

85:37

link below to order the book for

85:39

yourself and all these other stories

85:40

that he didn't share because we don't

85:42

have all the time you can read about it

85:43

when you order the book I heard the book

85:45

comes out with March 12 2012 March 12

85:47

the book comes out and then you also got

85:49

a podcast right yeah Hollywood Godfather

85:51

pod Hollywood Godfather podcast we'll

85:54

put that link below as well go subscribe

85:55

and listen to some of his podcast and

85:57

would that be so generous it's been a

85:59

pleasure sitting out here with you my

86:00

pleasure thank you