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thank you for tuning in we are
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continuing our fascinating discussion
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with John lash water of not in His image
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and we want to change gear I guess a
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little bit in this red subscriber
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section and talk a little bit more about
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the idea of what John calls Gnostic
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theory of alien intrusion and connect us
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with the organs of course the organs is
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a subject that I've been fascinated by
00:51
for a long time and John maybe we could
00:55
actually start with with a definition of
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that word itself that there seems to be
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a lot of different interpretations of it
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out there seems to be some kind of you
01:03
know almost dispute or confusion where
01:04
the term actually comes from and what it
01:07
means what's your take take on the term
01:09
the or cons well there are two ways to
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define the term and you're absolutely
01:16
right and Rick even before we talked
01:18
about it's very very important to
01:19
present as clear a definition of this
01:22
term in the north as Gnostics understood
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it as possible because it it's a
01:27
profoundly important term in the gnostic
01:29
teachings and it leads us into some some
01:32
really profound areas in the first place
01:35
the word our corn is a greek word that
01:37
was very common back in in the days of
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Jesus Christ back in in 2,000 years ago
01:45
and it simply meant governor the or like
01:49
the governor of a province was the
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Archon mm-hmm so that's what it meant in
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Greek in a mundane sense but there are
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two ways to understand the word Archon
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if you want to approach it as the
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Gnostics did in the first place the
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archons an Archon is a being
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that appears in the gnostic creation
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myth the Gnostics took this word Archon
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out of its Monday in context and they
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used it to describe a certain kind of
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cosmic entity you see the Gnostics had a
02:25
creation myth and this is the story of
02:28
the divine Sophia a goddess who turned
02:32
into the earth now on meta history org
02:35
you'll find a lot about this story and
02:37
I've told this story in 9 in 9 episodes
02:40
I also tell it in my book in 9 episodes
02:42
in a sense I reconstructed this myth in
02:45
this myth which is too long to go into
02:48
here there is an episode where the
02:50
archons appear in the cosmic order and
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they are called archons
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because the word comes from the greek
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root RK which means first or in the
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beginning and so what the Gnostics meant
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was that when our solar system was
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forming before the earth itself actually
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took the form it has today certain
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beings appeared in our solar system
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before the earth was formed that's why
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they're called archons they came first
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and these beings are kind of described
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as a and inorganic species and they
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inhabit the solar system but they do not
03:30
inhabit the earth so that's how the
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archons are described in the gnostic
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mythology if you go to the myth and read
03:39
the myth and study the myth which is
03:41
absolutely fascinating and it's a unique
03:43
myth the second part of the definition
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which i think might be helpful is this
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the archons who are also trans scholars
03:55
translate the word as rulers or
03:57
authorities the archons are play a great
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role in the NAG Hammadi materials I
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would say that of the surviving naga
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hamadi materials the Coptic materials
04:10
maybe 20% or better of the tax deal with
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these entities and they not only
04:19
describe them in the cosmic sense how
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they emerged
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at the creation of our solar system
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before the earth was formed as I just
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described but they also describe them in
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another very disturbing way there are
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passages in certain Gnostic texts which
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resemble 100 percent close encounters
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with extraterrestrial beings hmm and
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I've quoted these on the MIDI history
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site and there's a great deal of
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material about this on the mid history
04:49
site and so the second part of the
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definition this is very important this
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is drawn directly from the Coptic text
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archons are extraterrestrial entities
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and they are like psychic intruders they
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intrude upon humanity they intrude upon
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the human race but because they cannot
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they can't invade the earth as such
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because they cannot live in the
05:15
biosphere of the earth they live in the
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solar system they are inorganic beings
05:20
but because they cannot invade the earth
05:23
they tend to invade our minds they are
05:26
entities that can reach us you might say
05:30
inter-dimensionally or through a psychic
05:33
and telepathic level and all this is
05:35
described quite vividly in the Gnostic
05:39
materials and so it's quite remarkable
05:42
if you make the parallel with grey ETS
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and Close Encounters if you if you want
05:50
to make that parallel I think there's a
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great deal of evidence that that is a
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good parallel and it's a convincing
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parallel and I've I've written about
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that a great deal as you know that's
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absolutely fascinating I'm so intrigued
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by that idea and let's go into that a
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little bit later I won't ask you first
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though are there kind of any definition
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in the text of what the archons kind of
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are doing what their what their purpose
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or or what their goals are why are there
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or they're just around the planet earth
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or everywhere in the universe is there
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any kind of definition of that yes there
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is amazingly precise definitions of this
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really and I think that if I would speak
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of my own work as
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and my attempt to make Gnostic writings
06:40
you know accessible to people and to end
06:43
to to make them understandable this is
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one of the most important points that I
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have worked on you know no other scholar
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you know I'm a self-taught scholar I
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don't work with the university or
06:57
anything I'm responsible to no one but
06:58
myself and I'm responsible to my sense
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of the truth okay yeah well no other
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scholar dares to say anything about this
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Archon material you can take a book on
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the most famous book about Gnosticism is
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the Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagels
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mm-hmm was published I think 24 years
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ago it's still in print widely read the
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word Archon is not in the index really
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yeah even though it's obvious from
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reading the text that the archons were a
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deep concern for the Gnostics scholars
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will not have anything to do with this
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because it is it freaks them out and it
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also looks very much like parapsychology
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and you know UFO et materials and of
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course as scholars they wouldn't dare
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touch that because it would completely
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ruin their reputation that's that's
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unfortunately right it's unfortunately
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the case so now I'm going to answer your
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question it is remarkable that we find
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in the Narmada texts an explicit
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description not only of the origin of
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these extraterrestrial archons but of
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their purposes of the way they operate
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of their methods and of their tactics in
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regard to the human species it's
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remarkable and there are a couple of
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points that I would just make and then
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we'll explore it more based on your
08:27
questions one of the things the nonstick
08:30
materials warned us about these entities
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there's a clear warning that these
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entities endanger the human species
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because they can lead us astray from our
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proper course of evolution they're
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deviant
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they can deviate us and they do this in
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two ways one is through the
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of what is called error or plan a in
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Greek plenty by the way is the root of
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the word planet so error is one of the
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ways that they that the archons mislead
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us and that is when we we are beings who
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need to think and plan things in advance
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that is the nature of our species we
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stand out from other animals because we
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have planning abilities we can make
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models and then we can follow those
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models and we can actually create things
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from those models right which other
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species cannot do to the end
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the Gnostics warned that when we make
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mistakes in that process if we do not
09:33
correct those mistakes the archons will
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enter our minds and they will use those
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mistakes to steer us away from the earth
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and to steer us away from our true path
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so they warned about error they called
09:45
them messengers of error the second
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thing they warned about very explicitly
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is they said that the primary capacity
09:54
of the archons is something called how H
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al al is a Coptic word and what it means
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is simulation simulation or artifice hmm
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or you could say virtual reality an
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example of how is plastic and pearl
10:17
suppose I put a white round object in
10:21
your hand and I say to you that's a
10:25
pearl well you know that a pearl is made
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by nature it's made under the sea in the
10:31
body of an oyster human beings cannot do
10:35
that it's done by nature but suppose I
10:38
say this is a pearl in your hand when
10:40
actually it's just a ball of plastic
10:42
that looks like a pearl mm-hmm now
10:45
suppose that you were incapable of
10:48
telling the pearl from the plastic that
10:51
would be how that would be simulation
10:54
and one of the things that the Gnostics
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warned about is that there is a tendency
10:58
in our own mind to become infatuated
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with our models
11:03
our fictions and our simulations and the
11:06
more that we do that in a sense the more
11:08
we allow these archons to take over our
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minds very sophisticated for analysis
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and it's a very very strong warning hmm
11:19
absolutely fascinating so so in regards
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to the text again going back do you
11:27
think that or rather do you know if I
11:31
mean how how could could the Gnostics
11:34
back then known of their existence is is
11:37
there any hint of that meaning that was
11:39
this something they discovered well you
11:42
know they were in prayer or some kind of
11:45
meditation or was this something they
11:46
would have just been aware of because of
11:48
their ancestors have been passing down
11:50
information any clues on that how could
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the Norse Styx know of the existence of
11:56
these entities how could they know how
11:58
they came into existence in the first
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place yeah how could the Gnostics know
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about how our solar system was created
12:05
how could they know what the techniques
12:07
and and the tactics of the archons are I
12:11
pondered those questions very seriously
12:13
now you will not find in the text
12:16
themselves anak the directx answer to
12:19
those questions okay hmm
12:21
I wouldn't mislead you on that so but I
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have an answer and I feel confident
12:26
about it but I must tell you that my
12:29
answer is is from an inference okay I'm
12:34
just making an inference sure this is
12:36
John lashes inference and you can take
12:38
it or leave it this is what he thinks he
12:41
thinks that the Gnostic schools of the
12:43
mysteries which existed up until the
12:46
Christian time were actually the
12:51
inheritors of many thousands of years of
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spiritual and shamanic practice the
12:58
Gnostics were shamans and they inherited
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from the their ancestors in Europe in
13:04
Scandinavia from the great traditions of
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the great seers like Odin Odin would be
13:09
a typical example of an ancient Gnostic
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an ancient shaman
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and so Gnosticism is the flower of
13:19
indigenous European shamanism and if
13:22
this is true then I would infer that
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Gnostics were parapsychologists that
13:28
they could experience alternative
13:30
realities that they could explore the
13:32
astral world they could explore other
13:34
worlds and in the process of their
13:36
shamanism and their practice of
13:40
heightened awareness they detected these
13:43
entities directly they encountered these
13:45
entities they looked into the history of
13:48
the solar system call it what you will
13:50
reading the Akashic record call it
13:53
whatever you want we know today that
13:55
shamans in indigenous cultures in the
13:58
Amazon and elsewhere have these
14:00
faculties and Germans from say the
14:05
ayahuasca shamans of Peru and the Amazon
14:09
and shamans in other cultures around the
14:12
world in Africa for instance report the
14:16
same information about these entities so
14:19
when you ask me how they know I say to
14:21
you they were accomplished shamans who
14:24
had faculties of higher perception that
14:28
allowed them to experience these things
14:29
directly my view very interesting do you
14:33
think that it could be possible that at
14:35
the same time they had I mean there's so
14:37
many stories of when for example the
14:40
many of the South American tribes are
14:42
entering into this other world so to
14:45
speak that they have contact with other
14:47
forms of entities that actually hands
14:50
down information to them something about
14:52
what is happening on earth or their own
14:54
health in some cases there's so many
14:55
stories about this if you need you think
14:57
that for that to know about I think
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three or four of the NAG Hammadi texts
15:06
that present themselves as what we would
15:09
today call documents of channelling
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mm-hmm you know sure channelling and in
15:17
those texts we have a report as it were
15:21
a kind of shorthand report it's not the
15:23
reports are kind of you know
15:27
like notes taken in a classroom you know
15:31
and the report seems to indicate that
15:34
there is a there is a master or a seer
15:37
or shaman who is standing in front of
15:40
the group of students and is
15:43
communicating with a higher dimensional
15:46
being and channeling information from
15:48
that being and there are texts which
15:52
actually show that one of which is
15:53
called the discourse on the 8th and the
15:56
9th the discourse on the eighth and the
15:58
ninth is a non-ahmadi text that actually
16:00
describes that kind of channeling
16:02
session and so you're absolutely right
16:04
some of the information that Gnostics
16:06
received came from contacting higher
16:09
intelligences and it's clear from the
16:11
text that they discerned and detected
16:15
many different kinds of non-human
16:18
entities in the cosmos and not all of
16:21
them were hostile to humanity in fact
16:24
many of them were were allies right but
16:28
they did detect one predatory species
16:32
the archons and one is all it takes man
16:36
sure was all it takes it's like the
16:39
malaria it's like malaria it only takes
16:42
one mosquito anninaw Feliz mosquito to
16:46
bite you give you malaria sure there are
16:49
many mosquitoes in the world many kinds
16:51
of instincts but it only takes one and
16:53
so they were seem to have been terribly
16:56
concerned that there was one predatory
16:58
species the archons that we really need
17:00
to watch out for and you even might be
17:04
very difficult going going into this
17:06
other place and discern who's who sort
17:09
of speak who's hostile who's not who's
17:10
deceiving who's giving me right
17:12
information here that must always be a
17:14
concern right well you know it's very
17:16
interesting there was a book that came
17:18
out in 1980 called the way of the shaman
17:20
by Michael Horner and this was a key
17:24
book in bringing shamanism into the
17:26
mainstream
17:28
and Michael Horner was a psychiatrist
17:30
from Connecticut or somewhere in the
17:32
East Coast who went to South America and
17:35
you know did ayahuasca hmm and under the
17:38
ayahuasca trance he had a vision and so
17:40
forth he saw various things and of
17:44
course the session of ayahuasca he did
17:46
was was was a controlled or managed by
17:50
some of the veteran ayahuasca shamans
17:53
who were in that region right and
17:55
Michael Horner relates this amazing
17:57
incident of how he came out of his
17:59
ayahuasca vision and he turned to the
18:01
old Brazilian shaman there to tell him
18:04
what it experienced you know and he said
18:06
oh I met these dragon like beings and
18:08
they had wings and they said that they
18:11
came to the earth and in a boat and they
18:13
brought the seeds of humanity here in
18:15
this boat in this big canoe and so forth
18:17
and so on and isn't that fascinating now
18:19
I know how humanity originated and the
18:23
old Brazilian shaman looked at him in
18:25
the laughs yeah and he said what they
18:27
always tell everybody that they're just
18:29
a bunch of liars you know the
18:33
interesting thing is that if you're
18:35
going to practice shamanism and you're
18:38
going to go into altered states of
18:39
consciousness you must learn how to
18:43
distinguish the trick how to see what
18:45
the tricksters are doing because there
18:47
are many tricksters out there yeah can
18:48
and you must it's part of the practice
18:51
of knowing the true from the fault yeah
18:53
just like in any other field of in any
18:56
other field of life you know so I
18:58
believe that the Gnostics were highly
19:01
accomplished shamans who could who could
19:03
detect the difference and and that they
19:06
pinpointed these archons as particularly
19:09
a particular menace to us
19:11
mm-hmm absolutely fascinating now let's
19:14
dive into a little bit about well I
19:17
guess I want to start at 1947 and move
19:21
on from there
19:22
I want to talk about Roswell or Rose
19:25
well I want to Roswell except with the
19:28
discovery elliptical right yeah and and
19:30
the discovery of the net no I'm at a
19:32
library in in similar time period we
19:36
could talk about the the OSS becoming
19:39
the CIA you know how that right
19:41
inspired there's so much there where do
19:43
you want to begin well I think you know
19:45
there's a there's a piece on that on the
19:47
site of course 1947 Nexus I think that
19:50
what that it's fascinating we could talk
19:53
about that for the rest of the night
19:55
just point out the essential facts I'll
19:57
just point this out for those of your
19:59
listeners who don't know the narco mati
20:03
tacks were discovered actually by an
20:05
Arab peasant in December 1945 but their
20:08
importance was not recognized they were
20:10
just stuffed in a drawer in a museum in
20:12
Cairo and it was not until June 1947
20:17
when another scholar came from France
20:20
Jean direst came from France and that he
20:23
was shown these and he realized how
20:24
important they were now June July August
20:27
of 1947 was a time when simultaneously a
20:33
number of other events occurred that was
20:36
also the year that the Dead Sea scrolls
20:39
were discovered and so and the Dead Sea
20:43
Scrolls are another kind of document
20:46
they were discovered near Jerusalem and
20:47
they were written in in Hebrew and
20:49
Aramaic but they form an important part
20:51
of this story the Dead Sea Scrolls are
20:54
discovered the CIA was founded from the
20:58
OSS and a whole number of other things
21:01
occurred in 1947 it was sort of like an
21:04
explosion of the human psyche and the
21:09
we're kind of living in there in the
21:12
effects of that explosion now and the
21:14
main effect of that is that these
21:18
esoteric religious documents the Dead
21:23
Sea scrolls and the null commodity
21:24
documents are somehow all mixed up with
21:27
our ideas of global conspiracy and our
21:30
ideas of extraterrestrial you know
21:34
extraterrestrial influence sure yeah
21:36
it's just remarkable just a little over
21:40
60 years ago that it all seemed to
21:44
explode at the same moment you did you
21:47
always can you already I should say have
21:49
kind of laid out the idea that the
21:52
archons possibly could could
21:54
either be the the grace or I have a some
21:57
kind of a relationship to them and I
21:59
want to explore that further and I want
22:01
to explore the idea of alien technology
22:02
further and what is happening with us
22:05
now I guess the first thing I like to
22:07
ask is do you think that possibly then
22:10
there was a downed craft to as big a
22:13
aircraft that crashed in Roswell around
22:16
47 and a consequence of that was that we
22:19
attained some kind of alien technology
22:20
right right the Roswell crash which took
22:24
place also in in that year is
22:29
significant because the Roswell crash is
22:31
the basis of what is called the
22:33
extra-terrestrial hypothesis if you look
22:37
on mediha stree org you'll find in the
22:39
in the site guide there's a an article
22:43
called nine theories of extraterrestrial
22:46
influence mmm nigh on outlined nine
22:50
different theories one of those series
22:52
is the gnostic theory which i've been
22:53
discussing with you but the most
22:55
well-known one of course is the
22:57
so-called extra-terrestrial hypothesis
22:59
according to this hypothesis an alien
23:02
spacecraft crashed in Roswell in 1947
23:04
and bodies were recovered living bodies
23:07
and what happened is that the American
23:09
government secretly cut a deal with
23:12
these grey aliens and got from them
23:15
technology secrets of Technology in
23:18
return for allowing them to experiment
23:21
on the human race to abduct people to
23:23
interbreed and so forth and so on
23:25
mm-hmm okay that's the extra-terrestrial
23:27
hypothesis which is the most widely
23:29
accepted conspiracy theory now you're
23:34
asking me do I think that that crash
23:36
actually took place well you know I want
23:41
to say this that in the Gnostic
23:44
materials that I've studied there are
23:47
descriptions of Close Encounters of
23:49
abductions vivid descriptions and there
23:53
are also descriptions of the gray type
23:55
aliens and a reptilian type alien those
23:59
are in the text but I must add that
24:01
there are no descriptions of hardware
24:03
there are no descriptions of flying
24:05
saucers in the gnostic materia
24:08
so I can to be very very cautious when I
24:12
hear is claims that there's actually
24:14
hardware that it has you know crashed
24:17
and so forth there are descriptions of
24:19
hardware and flying saucers in the Dead
24:21
Sea Scrolls mm-hmm so these these
24:26
sightings have occurred from very
24:28
ancient times so my answer would be I
24:32
really don't know I tend to think that
24:35
the Roswell story may have been largely
24:39
invented and that it may be being used
24:43
to manipulate people it's it's a very
24:47
complex subject but you know I kind of
24:50
follow Jaguar lay on this rock wale who
24:53
wrote messengers of deception he was in
24:56
my opinion the most intelligent and
24:58
careful analyst of the UFO phenomena and
25:03
he says whether or not
25:06
alien spacecraft has I have actually
25:09
crashed the story about them controls
25:13
people's minds and manipulates people
25:15
and I sort of take that view well sorry
25:19
if it sounds like I'm weaseling out of
25:21
the question
25:21
no no no no that's a perfect one because
25:24
I also want to kind of go into that area
25:27
a little bit that if because earlier you
25:30
said that that these archons are kind of
25:32
a you know not physical so to speak this
25:35
is something otherworldly that that
25:37
can't occupy bodies but what I can want
25:40
to lead into here a little bit is the
25:42
fact that they actually are interested
25:44
in inhabiting bodies on this planet
25:47
meaning that they want to in some way
25:48
either incarnate into body bodies or
25:51
actually build something either from
25:54
genetic material or from mechanic you
25:57
know robotics basically that they can
26:00
incarnate into what one idea that has
26:04
been laid forth is is the idea that the
26:05
greys actually are robots if we think of
26:08
the idea of how we do things not right
26:11
meaning the we send probes we send
26:13
robots into space to explore other
26:15
planets right so why could not the greys
26:17
be a more you know artificial
26:20
intelligence almost
26:21
kind of a entity in itself coming here
26:23
exploring on behalf on some other
26:25
intelligence from another solar system
26:27
you know okay now there are of course
26:30
thousands and thousands of theories
26:31
about this and there's a lot of
26:33
confusion about it let me see if I can
26:35
give you as briefly as possible
26:37
a gnostic approach that may be helpful
26:40
sure what i draw from what the Gnostic
26:43
said about the archons are two important
26:47
points the first point is that they are
26:50
an inorganic species you know probably
26:52
silicon mercury kind of base and that
26:55
they live in the solar system at large
26:59
but they cannot live in the biosphere of
27:01
the earth so there for them to come into
27:03
the biosphere the earth is more or less
27:05
like a human being diving into the
27:08
bottom of the ocean we need to have very
27:11
complicated diving gear we need to have
27:14
either go in a diving bell or we have to
27:18
have some kind of bulky diving equipment
27:20
but we cannot stay down at the bottom of
27:22
the ocean very long because we're not
27:24
designed to live there so this explains
27:28
why the actual physical appearances of
27:32
these aliens would be so erratic and so
27:34
brief because they're only able to to
27:38
make brief forays into our atmosphere
27:43
okay hmm that's one explanation the
27:47
second point is even more important you
27:49
raise the question well do they want to
27:50
do they want to incarnate do they want
27:52
to somehow become embodied on earth and
27:54
take over the earth well from what I
27:57
draw from the Gnostic writings this is
28:01
not their aim their aim is more or less
28:06
to invade our minds and to live through
28:09
us now if they succeed in doing that
28:13
then we would become our contech mm-hm I
28:18
use that adjective manitech sure what
28:21
does it mean to become our contech if
28:23
the human race were to become our
28:25
contech we would show a change of
28:28
behavior that would be dramatic
28:32
first of all we would only live in
28:35
simulated or artificial environments we
28:38
would sever all connections with the
28:39
natural world
28:41
second if the human race were to become
28:43
our contact we would make ourselves into
28:47
robots
28:47
we would become robotized in our
28:52
behavior we would become like robots
28:54
like robot zambese and we would attempt
28:57
to everything to replace our natural
28:59
organs with prosthetic organs we would
29:03
for instance if we had a perfectly
29:04
natural legs we would prefer to replace
29:09
those legs with robotic legs Bionic
29:13
Bionic we would become Bionic we would
29:16
go into a bionic phase that is if now
29:19
that is how we would behave if what the
29:25
gnostics warned is true the archons
29:29
primarily our mind parasites they don't
29:32
have the capacity really to incarnate as
29:35
human beings but they have the capacity
29:36
to go so deeply into our minds that we
29:40
can try to become them they make us try
29:43
to become like they are that's how I
29:47
understand what they would do and I see
29:50
many indications of us going in that
29:53
direction in the current technology in
29:56
nano technology bionics and those things
30:00
that you are looking at you know on your
30:03
site sure yeah yeah I mean exactly and
30:07
and I mean there are so many points
30:10
there they want to pick up out but one
30:12
thing at a time here there there the
30:15
reason for them for you know changing us
30:18
so to speak for going first into our
30:20
minds and then changing our bodies which
30:22
consequently also reflects our mind so
30:26
we would change our own mentality with
30:29
that the interest from the organs do you
30:32
think that that is for what is their own
30:34
purposes for you or do they want to use
30:37
us for something you you know is there
30:39
galactic war going on what's happening
30:42
what I'm gonna tell you now is
30:45
weird but I am not making it up what I'm
30:48
going to tell you now is my best
30:50
expression of what I have found in the
30:54
Gnostic writings the first point is
30:57
absolutely clear the Gnostics say that
30:59
the motivation of the archons is envy
31:02
they use that word Envy phonos in Greek
31:06
then they say that the archons Envy us
31:10
because we're kind of like a cousin
31:12
species to them but we are the
31:15
privileged cousins because we live in a
31:18
paradise which is the earth and the
31:21
biosphere and they live out in the solar
31:24
system at large and they they have
31:26
hardware I'm sure they do
31:27
and they move around among the various
31:29
planets and they have space stations
31:31
among the various planets and as you
31:32
know there's been quite a bit of
31:33
confirmation of this since NASA has been
31:35
out there poking around ok but they Envy
31:40
us because we live in an actual paradise
31:43
we live in a place that is sensual in a
31:46
place that is beautiful in a place that
31:48
is sheltered from the rest of the
31:49
universe and so the first thing that
31:53
they teach us about them is that they
31:55
envied us envied us the second thing
31:57
they say is really mind boggling they
32:00
say that the Gnostics that the that the
32:03
archons operate in a senseless manner
32:06
that they have no real plan that they
32:10
are just senselessly disrupting us and
32:12
they get a certain satisfaction out of
32:15
doing that they get a satisfaction out
32:17
of they get kind of a vicarious thrill
32:20
when we are fearful and confused the
32:24
intensity of the emotion of fear and the
32:27
intensity of of confusion seems in a way
32:29
to feed them and so in the final
32:34
analysis and I know this is not an easy
32:36
thing to accept but I'm giving you my
32:39
best you know my best research here sure
32:42
the final analysis they're tricksters
32:46
they're tricksters they're not really
32:48
predators who want to come in and take
32:51
over the earth and turn it into the
32:52
matrix then they pay you know if they
32:55
did that they wouldn't even have any
32:56
satisfaction they'd probably just go on
32:58
and
32:58
something else somewhere else they there
33:01
are tricksters in there
33:03
fascination is with our minds it's a
33:05
mind game it's a battle in the mind
33:08
hmm it's a cosmic test you know I I have
33:13
an article on the site in which I draw
33:15
more than 12 exact parallels between the
33:19
archons and the so called Flyers that
33:22
are described in the work of Carlos
33:24
Castaneda
33:24
mm-hmm you know the last book of Custody
33:27
ADA called the active site of infinity
33:29
was published just after he died and
33:32
many people may not have read that last
33:35
book of Castaneda but I tell you it's
33:37
absolutely remarkable because it deals
33:39
completely with the subject with
33:42
predators and psychic invasion that's
33:45
the subject of that book and he calls
33:47
these predator entities the Flyers and
33:50
he describes them in many ways that are
33:53
exactly parallel to what the Gnostics
33:55
say and at one point Castaneda is having
33:59
a conversation with Don Juan and I would
34:01
add by the way it doesn't matter if you
34:03
believe if this is made up or not
34:04
because the truth comes in fictional
34:07
form and in factual form so custon eight
34:10
is having this conversation with Don
34:12
Juan who says to him and he's a very
34:14
ancient old shaman who can detect these
34:16
beings and Don Juan says there the way
34:18
that the universe tests us to see if we
34:22
can master our own minds and I believe
34:25
that that's the final statement about
34:27
the archons it's a test
34:28
they are tricksters their malicious
34:30
tricksters but they don't really have
34:32
any grand plan or any grand scheme
34:34
behind it they just like to fuck with
34:37
our minds so I mean we within the
34:41
framework of the universe one one you
34:43
know questions mmm but what is their
34:45
purpose done but but I don't have but I
34:49
but I think that they do I mean if they
34:52
if they kind of represents sorry
34:55
represents it kind of a breakdown aspect
34:58
to to you know what the universe creates
35:00
and so forth this is a way for for the
35:04
universe to make something stronger or
35:07
better or more efficient or
35:08
what-have-you if we look at nature of
35:10
these things happen all the time there
35:12
is
35:12
a cycle of death so to speak winter and
35:16
then we have the summer or spring you
35:17
know when things grow but it's it's a
35:20
necessary process in order for that the
35:23
you know continuation of the universe so
35:25
in effect they do feel a purpose to kind
35:28
of you know if we compare it to how
35:31
bacteria and antibodies work or whatnot
35:33
would you say that that might be you
35:36
know the reason for them so to speak
35:37
I agree with you and I follow you on
35:39
that when I say they don't have a
35:40
purpose what I mean is that they in
35:42
themselves don't have a designated aim
35:45
for their activity right yes you are you
35:48
are absolutely correct the nature of the
35:50
activity and the way that it affects our
35:52
species has a purpose in the great
35:55
scheme of things I believe that there
35:58
are tricksters from beyond the earth who
36:02
invade our minds and who test us and
36:04
that we must face the archons and I've
36:06
faced them many times and many people
36:08
have met them but unfortunately in the
36:10
UFO et literature there's not enough
36:13
information about how to resist to these
36:16
beings you know and they can be resisted
36:19
and in fact the gnostic teachings
36:21
contain explicit information about how
36:24
to resist them and repel them really no
36:27
yes Ritt Kundalini and the alien force
36:30
is perhaps the most important essay on
36:33
this subject in meta history org
36:34
underlining the alien force describes
36:37
cites Gnostic documents and describes
36:39
techniques used to repel these mind
36:42
parasites so there is a game going on
36:45
here there is a test involved and it's a
36:48
cosmic test and you are absolutely right
36:50
it falls into the general plan of
36:52
evolution that that we would be tested
36:55
in this way and those who kind of
36:57
succumb I guess to their to their
37:00
trickery is that a way I'm and this is
37:04
gonna sound horrible but but who knows
37:06
what the construct of the universe is
37:07
things die all the time what I'm getting
37:09
at is is this a way for the university
37:13
actually you know clean off some of the
37:16
how should I put it you know a
37:19
consciousness that that hasn't taken
37:21
control of itself so to speak meaning
37:24
that that they can't fight
37:26
these forces and this is a way for the
37:29
creation to advance you know through
37:32
generations so the consciousness
37:34
actually becomes more efficient stronger
37:36
better more you know independent whatnot
37:38
do you think that could be the case in
37:41
my view my friend that is exactly the
37:43
case and I couldn't say it better myself
37:48
you know I was having some one time
37:53
which I was having a doing some
37:58
explorations in heightened awareness put
38:00
it in that way and I was trying to sing
38:03
some shamanism you could say and when I
38:04
practiced shamanism I do it with
38:06
specific intention I just don't do it
38:08
recreationally and I'll and sit around
38:09
and look at elucidation no son but I ask
38:12
questions and I pursue things and in one
38:15
particular session I asked a question
38:16
about the archons I asked what was their
38:19
purpose in this in the scheme of the
38:21
earth and the answer I got was exactly
38:25
what you just said
38:26
they're here to clean out the part of
38:30
our species that cannot take
38:31
responsibility for its own mind because
38:36
the mind is our gift
38:37
the Gnostics called it noose n o us and
38:41
they taught that our intelligence is a
38:44
spark of divinity that we have a spark
38:47
of divine intelligence in US News and
38:49
that what makes our species unique and
38:52
what makes it novel and allows us to be
38:54
to play and invent and create and
38:57
innovate is that we have this divine
39:00
intelligence and but it's being tested
39:03
and in those members of our species that
39:06
it cannot that it's not mastered will be
39:08
sheared away and the archons are enough
39:12
in a sense the tool for sheering away a
39:16
part of human species mm-hmm yeah and
39:22
that's as I said that that's that is
39:25
kind of well I don't know I mean very
39:29
scary yeah yeah sure I mean who again
39:34
who I mean we there there is a reason
39:38
why there are you know someone
39:39
philosophy around the humanity as such
39:41
is still you know pondering what the
39:43
purpose of everything is obviously and
39:45
and we can't you know you know in front
39:48
of that we can say no the universe isn't
39:51
that brutal in a way it actually goes
39:53
back to the idea that we talked about
39:55
earlier that if it is the case that I
39:58
create your God needs a sacrifice how
40:01
again can we question that that you know
40:05
can we question that idea meaning that
40:07
we might not be in a position right now
40:10
to understand why that isn't necessary
40:12
you know act or whatever for the
40:15
universe to sustain itself any ideas
40:20
well in this case I would I think it's
40:23
an elegant solution you know by the way
40:25
it's so fires solution so fire is my
40:28
name taken from the Gnostic myth for
40:30
Gaia hmm
40:31
for the intelligence of the earth she is
40:34
the hostess with the mostess as we say
40:37
in the States
40:38
she is the planet on which we live and
40:41
she is also the responsible for the
40:44
creation of the archons she produced the
40:46
archons if you want to learn about how
40:48
that happens you have to read the
40:50
Gnostic creation myth but as I
40:52
understand Sophia Sophia has great faith
40:58
in human intelligence she believes in
41:01
the particular gift of our species and
41:03
celebrates it and yet she also gives our
41:09
species the option to eliminate itself
41:13
you know we can't eliminate ourselves
41:15
that's we doing a fantastic job of it if
41:19
you ask me yeah yeah not only because of
41:21
the pollution that we've created out of
41:23
our ignorance because we haven't
41:24
corrected our mistakes remember Kevin
41:26
corrected our errors it was an error to
41:29
create the internal combustion machine
41:31
without first solving the problem of the
41:34
pollution that it would it would cause
41:37
that was an error well I actually don't
41:39
agree with it there I see I see that
41:42
that is a perfect way for us during that
41:44
particular time in history when that
41:46
when that technology became available
41:48
when the discovery of oil in that sense
41:51
was was made
41:53
well what I do see us as a faulty thing
41:55
though is that our lack of moving on
41:57
from there right now I mean there are so
41:59
many technologies available now and and
42:01
on one yeah I mean I'm kind of jumping
42:05
between the both of these sides so to
42:06
speak I don't know if you have a more
42:08
cautious overall cautious mindset
42:13
towards technology and the development
42:15
of it I see it more that it is you know
42:18
beneficial to our development and the
42:20
reason for that we are involved in it is
42:22
because we actually are creators in a
42:24
sense ourselves and we want to create
42:25
and you know improve our environment or
42:28
whatnot but again obviously this can
42:30
always be used at a you know a negative
42:33
usage and we can you know as a
42:35
consequence of that and you're right
42:37
there that we are disappearing objection
42:39
to that view at all in fact I like what
42:42
you said sir very much in the time and
42:45
setting that it was invented the
42:47
combustion engine was internal
42:49
combustion engine wasn't was an
42:51
appropriate invention for us the problem
42:53
is that we didn't move on and improve it
42:54
exactly we stayed with the model that we
42:58
invented in the first place even when we
43:01
knew that it had very bad side effects
43:03
well and then we have people you know
43:05
adding lead to the gasoline that wasn't
43:07
necessary from to begin with you know
43:09
right diesel engine from from right you
43:11
know the German guy I think diesel that
43:14
was you know even more environmentally
43:16
friendly than the stuff we use today
43:18
basically you know right that's right so
43:21
I I agree with you on that I think that
43:23
I do have a very cautious view obviously
43:26
of Technology I'm not exactly a techno
43:28
phobic person but I have a very
43:30
conscious view and my strongest
43:32
objection to technology is that I am
43:35
concerned about the technology that
43:38
would lead us in this arc on tech
43:40
direction you know a lot of the hype
43:43
about the new technology in bionics and
43:46
artificial intelligence I think is quite
43:50
dangerous and probably delusional
43:55
you know Marshall McLuhan who was this
43:57
guy who was kind of a pop guru back in
43:59
the 60s warned way back then about the
44:03
danger of
44:04
prosthetic device you know my static
44:07
devices like if your teeth fall out you
44:08
get you get false teeth right and he or
44:13
if your arm is cut off you get an
44:14
artificial arm put off put on but he
44:16
warned that we would we would adopt
44:21
prosthetic devices that we don't even
44:23
need you know hmm
44:25
but it's likewise if I have a perfectly
44:27
good set of teeth why would I want to
44:30
put false teeth on my teeth you know but
44:33
I think that's what a quite a bit of
44:35
this new technology is proposing
44:37
especially this technology that's
44:39
leading in the direction of you know the
44:41
immortal immortality fantasies which
44:45
which you get into quite a bit on your
44:47
site I notice and I'm I'm interested in
44:49
how you view that and how you're going
44:50
to handle that subject because I've also
44:53
written quite a lot about that yeah I do
44:55
want to chip you know your chip later on
44:58
in regards to a short film that we did
45:01
that really goes in a little bit and ask
45:03
a little bit of questions about this
45:05
idea of longevity in connection to the
45:08
archons and one thing that we did in
45:10
this short film was to and I don't know
45:12
if you read this article or not but
45:15
those who are involved right now in in
45:17
the human genome project one mainly
45:20
craig Venter is one of the girls right
45:23
very prominent right now yeah and he was
45:27
of course involved in this project set
45:30
out to first map the human genome but
45:33
now they set up a new context the
45:36
contest that actually is about mapping
45:38
the DNA of what they call it high speed
45:40
sequencing of mapping that didn't have
45:42
multiple persons basically and this this
45:45
this is an x prize by the way and they
45:48
net the interesting thing here is that
45:49
the name the contest the archons a
45:52
genomic sex prize contest yeah so I mean
45:57
wow what the heck is going on there
45:59
right
46:01
you know this immortality idea is a
46:05
central theme of the Abrahamic religions
46:09
did you know that what does it come
46:10
against and against the immortality idea
46:13
the idea that you could have an immortal
46:16
physical body deathless is part of the
46:20
Abrahamic religion well again that's why
46:23
a guy like Aubrey de Grey we we touch
46:25
upon this in our short film - he names
46:27
his foundation that that is into
46:29
longevity research the Methuselah
46:31
foundation that is derived directly from
46:33
the Bible from the oldest person in the
46:35
Bible actually right but it's not quite
46:37
the right name that's not the figure
46:40
that's not the actual figure in the
46:42
Bible who represents immortality really
46:45
lucilla represents longevity right
46:47
renauldi immortality sure okay what
46:51
immortality is represented by another
46:53
being called Melchizedek and Melchizedek
46:58
is the whole foundation no Jezza dick is
47:00
the being who founded the whole
47:02
Abrahamic religion and Christianity and
47:04
Judaism okay according to Melchizedek is
47:08
described in the Bible as being without
47:10
age without parents and without general
47:13
without generation meaning that he was
47:16
not born in a natural way
47:20
generation being biological reproduction
47:22
right now this description of
47:25
Melchizedek which occurs in Romans in
47:28
the New Testament is absolutely
47:30
startling because it's a description of
47:32
a cloned human being can live forever
47:35
she's really yes and that figure that
47:40
idea and that figure are present at the
47:44
core of these religions and all of the
47:48
people who adhere to these religions
47:49
believe you know that in one form or
47:52
another
47:53
well after death they will they will be
47:55
if they do what the Father God wants and
47:57
they're obedient after death that they
47:59
will be resurrected and given any mortal
48:01
body hmm yeah so what you mean so so
48:06
that and even the idea of you know at
48:08
the end of days everyone will rise again
48:11
from the grave basically right
48:13
that's right and so this concept that
48:15
Ventnor and these other people are
48:17
working toward or the transhumanists you
48:19
heard of them I'm sure these people who
48:22
are proposing that through artificial
48:23
intelligence and genomics we can create
48:26
an immortal human being are actually
48:28
working out an ancient religious belief
48:31
system yeah I believe so yeah if again
48:34
if we look at the terminology used and
48:37
even the symbolism in some cases the
48:40
usage of the Grail for instance have
48:41
been kind of you know again connected
48:43
with the longevity theme there's so many
48:46
things there so the question obviously
48:49
becomes at this point the people that
48:54
are involved in this or they then
48:57
influenced by the oricon son on a you
48:59
know unconscious level that they're
49:01
being affected or are they consciously
49:03
you know driving this because of their
49:05
own you know ego or interest or or that
49:07
they themselves actually are involved in
49:09
some very you know occult basically
49:12
mythology you know well if I want it to
49:16
be you know very cautious about it and
49:19
Rick I would say well they're marvelous
49:21
you know scientists with big egos who
49:24
you know want to make a big score okay
49:27
sure but if we want to look a little
49:29
scratch the surface and look a little
49:30
deeper I have to tell you that I
49:32
wouldn't be at all surprised if these
49:34
characters are involved in some level of
49:37
autism and I wouldn't be at all
49:39
surprised if the Archon influence is not
49:43
what's really driving them if they are
49:46
not they have become are canta Klee
49:48
deviated in the deviation away from
49:53
humanity toward a kind of mutation of
49:57
the human species now it's either going
50:01
to be one thing or the other either
50:03
we're going to reach that mutation okay
50:06
science will reach those goals or we
50:10
won't and if we don't reach them we may
50:14
end up wiping ourselves out in them in
50:18
the meantime you know that's pretty much
50:20
how it looks to me
50:21
hmm well that's pretty scary I mean one
50:25
thing is of course what is what is the
50:28
option here I'm sure I kind of look at
50:30
all of this as a way to I say that we
50:33
need to take the good parts of every
50:35
little piece you know that we have and
50:37
and and make sure to move on that's
50:40
that's the most important thing that we
50:41
that we actually don't stop in our
50:44
tracks in that sense that we continue to
50:46
evolve and and you know again
50:48
consciously evolve not just you know go
50:51
flying off on some other in a weird path
50:53
of some you know interests of one single
50:55
person or whatnot but I mean many people
50:58
see that the option at this point is to
50:59
you know we need to you know totally
51:01
dismantle everything we got and go back
51:04
you know go back to the ancient times go
51:06
back to you know the pagan religion and
51:08
so forth and and and that's the best
51:10
thing what do you see as an option at
51:12
this point that we can do you know well
51:14
first of all I want to say that what
51:16
you're expressing here is what I call
51:17
the heroic attitude you know Joseph
51:21
Campbell who was a great mythologist and
51:23
some people consider me to be as his
51:25
successor hmm
51:27
wrote a book called the hero with a
51:28
thousand faces and I'll sort a book
51:30
called a hero and what you're expressing
51:33
is the heroic attitude the warrior
51:34
attitude that is that we face a perhaps
51:38
incomprehensible situation and we face
51:42
impossible odds but we try to turn that
51:45
into something good yeah okay yeah so
51:48
you're asking what good option can we
51:50
make out of this oh that's a fucking
51:52
great question I don't believe by the
51:55
way I obviously a pagan and a mystic but
51:58
I don't believe that we would go back to
52:00
ancient paganism I believe that we might
52:02
go to some kind of future paganism hmm
52:05
but specifically on this subject of
52:08
genomes and creating the immortal human
52:10
being it's hard to say you know I guess
52:14
I would say that the option for me would
52:18
be this rather than thinking about how I
52:22
could mutate into an immortal human
52:25
being I would like to know what is the
52:28
absolute most I can get out of my mortal
52:31
physical body mm-hmm you know
52:34
what is the most bliss I can experience
52:37
what is the most pleasure what is the
52:39
the highest intensity of feeling and
52:43
perception that I can have in this
52:45
mortal body I guess that would be my
52:47
option I guess I would say well I would
52:48
like to see what's the most I can get
52:52
out of that and then maybe if I'm not
52:53
satisfied with that we could consider
52:57
mutating into some other form no I guess
53:01
that would be my response I'm really
53:03
into the body absolutely
53:06
well yeah you know what about the idea
53:08
that you know I've been pondering on
53:13
that idea of where we're heading right
53:15
now and I and again I can see that
53:18
there's very you know very you know good
53:20
purpose so to speak with all the
53:21
connectivity that is going on I said the
53:24
Internet is a kind of basically a
53:27
representation of the the neural
53:29
pathways of you know Gaia basically that
53:31
really all these little cells running
53:33
around human beings done or are you know
53:36
connected to each other and that's
53:37
wonderful and all of that but then on
53:39
the other side you have the danger of
53:41
that you know the microchipped
53:43
population with the computer you know
53:45
interface you know everyone hooking up
53:47
to the to the same illusion and and then
53:49
we're basically going to go just deeper
53:51
into the matrix and we actually are
53:53
going to lose our individuality and our
53:55
own consciousness in that process you
53:58
described it beautifully I mean you
54:00
describe the the I think that's the
54:02
really the great challenge that we face
54:04
that is the challenge of globalization
54:06
yeah and you described both the positive
54:08
side of it and the negative side of it
54:11
you know hmm
54:12
boy I don't pretend to have the answer
54:14
to that I don't have the answer to a lot
54:15
of things you know but I'll tell you
54:17
what my sense is my sense is that you
54:20
know there used to be in the states we
54:22
used to have this bumper sticker because
54:24
you know people in the United States
54:25
expressed the most profound philosophy
54:27
so the back of their cars and the bumper
54:31
sticker said think globally act locally
54:36
hmm you know yeah so my observation
54:39
would be this that no matter how much
54:44
positive globalization we have you know
54:46
how much we become neuro
54:48
they connected across the planet like
54:50
you and I are being connected by
54:51
internet radio sure you have to live
54:55
locally you don't live on the earth you
55:00
live in a place on the earth you have to
55:03
live locally and as long in on this in
55:05
there's a name for this is called bio
55:07
regionalism mmm
55:09
bio regionalism is a term which means
55:10
that the people who live in a place have
55:13
a profound relationship to the place
55:15
they live and so I think as long as we
55:17
can maintain bio regionalism and as long
55:20
as people live locally which means grow
55:23
their own food locally understand where
55:26
their water comes from locally
55:27
understand the nature are immediately
55:30
around where they live then I think
55:32
that's the grounding we need to not be
55:35
driven out of our minds by globalization
55:38
hmmmm yeah I believer you're right on
55:41
there I am kind of looking at that too
55:44
as a kind of you know some of the
55:45
solution the question though is that a
55:47
rice obviously is is is our is our local
55:51
or our local kind of surroundings
55:54
changing because of you know climate
55:57
change things are obviously going on I
55:59
mean I mean there's no doubt of that
56:01
and could we end up in a situation where
56:03
we actually cannot longer you know
56:05
sustain things as they are on the planet
56:08
do you think that's a possible danger
56:10
here I think that it's probable that
56:13
it's gonna it's going in that direction
56:15
certainly the local impact of certain
56:19
global changes is is obvious to me I you
56:22
know I could give you many examples on
56:23
the way animals are behaving the way the
56:25
seasons come six weeks earlier than
56:28
normal no zoos no known at all you know
56:32
I think we are going to face that and I
56:34
think that's going to be one of the
56:35
challenges to our adaptation for
56:37
adaptation you see but here again we get
56:39
back to the our clinic question the our
56:41
conduct question you know it's like
56:43
saying well if we're going to be facing
56:45
now global warming and meltdown of the
56:48
Greenland ice shelf and because we're
56:50
going to be able facing changes in the
56:53
biosphere how are we as a species going
56:57
to face these changes in the biosphere
56:59
if
57:00
we're totally absorbed in artificial
57:02
reality mm-hmm
57:04
you know if we have become so our
57:06
contact that all we can do is relate to
57:09
our machines and our iPods and our
57:11
computers and all these devices and
57:14
gimmicks that we have how the hell are
57:16
we ever going to face the crisis in our
57:19
in our natural environment you know yeah
57:21
I think we're really coming to work very
57:26
we're in that crisis we're not coming to
57:28
it we are in it we're in it now and it's
57:31
it's the generation of the people are in
57:34
their 20s and 30s now who really has to
57:37
be smart and have a lot of courage to
57:41
face this mm-hmm
57:42
yeah and and then we have the idea of
57:45
conflicting information constantly there
57:47
are different reports coming out that
57:49
the ice sheet for example aren't
57:51
actually melting there are actually
57:53
builds up in other places we have we
57:56
haven't have philosophers that propose
57:58
that added carbon carbon dioxide to the
58:01
atmosphere actually might be a very good
58:03
thing because plants and so forth you
58:06
know harvest harvest day they leave home
58:08
that basically you know we could I
58:09
consequently more rain because of that
58:11
we might actually moving into a whole
58:13
new era of the plant being the era where
58:15
the plant becomes more you know gives
58:17
more so to speak more more growth and
58:19
more you know the desert you know begin
58:22
to disappear and so forth but but a
58:24
consequence of that meaning that if we
58:26
try to stop this now with removing
58:28
carbon monoxide that's the consequence
58:30
of that is that we're going to live you
58:32
know in in a worse environment I don't
58:34
know any ideas it's crazy-making
58:37
we don't really know but whichever of
58:39
those scenarios is true the fact remains
58:44
that we're going to have to adapt to
58:47
changes in the environment and if we
58:52
make ourselves too dependent on our
58:53
technology we are going to be less able
58:56
to make that adaptation you see that's
58:58
my point yet mm-hmm
59:01
technology has that danger we become
59:03
dependent on our toys and our devices
59:06
menace species that's dependent on its
59:09
toys and devices when it has to get out
59:12
there
59:13
the Beavers and the birds and the whales
59:15
and deal with the changes in environment
59:18
it's going to be wiped out in me in ten
59:19
years
59:20
mm-hmm yeah so it's all about getting
59:23
back to nature sounds very corny but
59:25
that's what it is about and and that's
59:27
what my message is about sacred ecology
59:29
and I believe that the the Gnostics were
59:33
profound mystics and and shamans who who
59:36
looked deeply into the processes of
59:39
nature and understood nature in an
59:42
intimate way and I think that we would
59:45
benefit from following their example
59:47
mm-hmm
59:48
yeah I think we are actually moving in
59:50
the consciousness is beginning to you
59:52
know go go back to that idea in many
59:55
cases not you know again this is not
59:57
across the board of how overall Humanity
60:00
behaves or whatnot but if we don't learn
60:02
of it I think we're going to have to be
60:04
forced to learn the hard way and I hate
60:06
to go down that road you know that's
60:08
right and as as far as the learning
60:10
process is concerned how does our
60:13
species learn to cooperate with nature
60:15
to become symbiotic and to make the best
60:18
of the natural environment that is or to
60:21
be in harmony with Gaia if you want to
60:23
put it that way well that's where
60:25
Antonia Jen's come in and that's why met
60:28
history org although it may not appear
60:30
so at first sight is one of the most
60:33
powerful and energetic sites on the
60:36
internet as far as I know my intention
60:39
anyway is to send a very strong message
60:40
about antigens or sacred plants or what
60:44
I want to call medicine plants mmm you
60:47
know we now know that of all the
60:49
millions first of all plants are the
60:51
most prolific species on the earth right
60:55
there are more plants than any other
60:57
species okay and we know that of the
60:59
millions of the hundreds of thousands of
61:02
plant species there are about 200 of
61:05
those that have a very special nature
61:07
that is that when we ingest them they
61:11
enhance the operations of our brain
61:14
because they have neuro transmitting
61:17
chemicals in them and this has only been
61:21
known you know recently I mean it's been
61:23
known by shamans for thousands
61:25
yes but science is only known recently
61:27
that there are about 200 kinds of plants
61:29
including psychedelic mushrooms
61:32
psilocybin mushrooms ayahuasca iboga
61:34
things like that right that give that
61:39
have psychomimetic properties they don't
61:41
impose anything on our psyche they just
61:44
crank up the operation of the mind and
61:47
the psyche to an extraordinary level and
61:50
I believe that those plants the
61:52
entheogens have been provided by Gaia to
61:55
teach us how to follow her designs and
61:59
how to live and survive over the long
62:01
term so that's why they are so important
62:04
and that's why antigens are such a
62:06
central message in in my work mm-hmm
62:08
wonderful and that's I guess also why
62:11
many you know controlling agents of this
62:14
planet now are trying to make planet
62:18
sure yeah you know that there is a toad
62:21
do you know about toad licking ok
62:25
there's beautiful tannic acid on toads
62:27
right and if you lick the toad you can
62:29
get a you can go into an altered state
62:31
right yeah in it is known in the United
62:34
States this is gonna blow you away it's
62:36
known in the United States that the
62:38
Colorado River toad which lives in the
62:41
area of the Colorado River it's quite
62:43
rare as highly hallucinogenic it's a if
62:46
you lick the back of that toad you will
62:49
get high you will go into an altered
62:51
state well it is now illegal to own a
62:54
Colorado River toad there we go nice oh
62:57
my god well wait or you just hold on
62:59
there because they're going to
63:00
genetically modify that totes we don't
63:02
even have to worry about that and you
63:09
know in Amsterdam where I frequently
63:12
used to go to the smart shops to buy
63:14
dried mushrooms well then dried
63:15
mushrooms were made illegal and put on
63:17
the same level as Class A drug cocaine
63:19
which is totally insane there is no
63:23
clinical evidence and scientific
63:25
evidence that psychedelic mushrooms
63:27
produce damage on the level of cocaine
63:31
or alcohol none whatsoever
63:33
now their course Bennett they're banning
63:35
fresh mushrooms
63:37
really yeah they are you know they're
63:40
banning their making it illegal to sell
63:42
fresh mushrooms in Hallandale and you
63:45
are absolutely right you see the one
63:46
greatest threat to the authorities and
63:48
this is what I'm writing about right now
63:49
on the mid history site this is my
63:51
current material my current project the
63:53
one greatest threat to the authorities
63:55
is that we should have free access to
63:57
the plants nature gives us to enlighten
64:00
us right because then we will be on to
64:03
the game then we will see we're being
64:05
controlled deceived and manipulated and
64:07
so these plants which just grow in
64:10
nature are going to be for
64:13
systematically forbidden to us and there
64:15
is a battle there is a battle taking
64:17
place there John we will love to have
64:19
you back on the program here at some
64:21
point and maybe we could this would be a
64:23
perfect opportunity to dive in further
64:25
into the and Theo Jensen see you know
64:27
what what is good what is not and so
64:29
forth and explore that a little while I
64:31
would be delighted to do that and Rickon
64:33
also it gives me the opportunity to
64:35
speak about those things in a way that
64:38
is sober and clear and well balanced
64:41
because I think that it's an extremely
64:44
important subject and it should not be
64:46
discussed in in a fanatical or imbalance
64:48
way and I'd love the opportunity to go
64:51
into it with you excellent opiate yeah
64:53
perfect you know again I want to thank
64:54
you so much for fantastic you know
64:57
interview this has been a you know
64:58
fabulous program awesome and I want to
65:01
leave the last two minutes here again to
65:03
use you can mention your website again
65:05
your latest book but also mention the
65:07
earlier books that you have out there
65:09
I'm not familiar with too many of them
65:11
mention them for us
65:12
well my first book was called the
65:15
seekers handbook it came out in 1991 and
65:17
it's kind of a general guide to
65:19
alternative spirituality after that I
65:22
wrote two books on comparative mythology
65:24
one is called twins and the double in it
65:27
and the other one is called the hero
65:30
then I wrote in 1999 my main work on the
65:35
star zodiac and the constellations of
65:37
the sky which is called quest for the
65:39
zodiac and my most recent book is this
65:42
book on Gnosticism which is called on
65:45
His image that came out November of of
65:47
2000
65:49
six I just want to mention too indirect
65:51
adding in addition to the meta history
65:53
org site there's a sister site called
65:56
future primitive hard work which you can
65:59
get to from the home page of many
66:01
history and it has interviews it's all
66:03
interviews with fantastic people and
66:06
there are some interviews with me on
66:07
there regarding the subjects we've been
66:09
discussing nice excellent so meta
66:12
history dot org and future pretty
66:14
primitive
66:15
work okay excellent again John thank you
66:18
so much for coming on a true pleasure
66:19
having on thank you so much and we'll be
66:22
continued to be in touch it's been a
66:24
real pleasure
66:48
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