Satanic Ritual Abuse Healing Wounds from the Inside Out Bill Schnoebelen

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well praise God where we're going to be
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trying to get a lot of information out
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here and it's always a challenge to talk
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before a group like this because I
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realized we're trying to reach several
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different levels of people in our
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audience and I'm sure no matter what I
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do I'm going to probably mystify some of
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you and bore some of you and because
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it's hard to
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without leaving someone behind and I
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just pray or indulgence with me if
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you've heard some of this before I think
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there will be however a few things that
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the Lord is shared with me that I'm
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going to try and share with you tonight
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that I hope will be of help by way of
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starting I'd like you to look at the
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seventh chapter of the Book of Psalms
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and in Psalm 7 verse 9 and 10 we read oh
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let the wickedness of the wicked come to
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an end but establish the just for the
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righteous God triumphs over hearts and
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reign my defense is of God would save it
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the upright in heart okay Lord we come
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to you now on the mighty name of Jesus
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and we pray your blessings upon
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everybody in this room we pray that you
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would bind Satan from this room and
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loose the spirit of truth we pray father
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in Jesus name that you would comfort
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everyone here with the comfort that can
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only come from the Holy Spirit of God we
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pray that no one here would be offended
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or triggered by anything that is said
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here we just want Jesus as his name to
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be glorified that's all we want father
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because as was said earlier he is one of
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the answer to this this this horrible
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equation this horrible question so Lord
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we just submit this time to you and I
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ask that that I would decrease that you
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might increase in Jesus mighty name amen
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okay if you read that passage it I think
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it begins with a statement that all of
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us have in our heart let the wickedness
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of the wicked come to an end so many of
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us have looked around and have seen or
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even been victims of monstrous monstrous
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evil and we would like it to stop
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whether we personally have been affected
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by it or whether we're just working with
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people that have
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we'd really like it to stop and there's
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a cry for justice in the land and I
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think that this is something which the
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Lord is going to answer very very soon
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it sometimes seems to us and to our
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clients that we work with that the world
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is overwhelmed with hopelessness and
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despair the heroism that is involved I
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believe in just getting through life if
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you're a survivor
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is extraordinary you know and especially
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for those who have actually made a life
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for themselves who have rich rewarding
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lives after having been through this is
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quite extraordinary it's something that
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frankly I stand in awe of I don't think
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I could do it therefore what I would
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like to do today is bring some kind of
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exhortation hopefully hope and also
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hopefully some things that might help
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you in terms of your recovery from what
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has happened I've heard it said that
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getting well is the best revenge and I
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think there's a lot of truth in that
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but I think there's also another kind
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other thing which is even better revenge
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and that is to turn these perpetrators
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over to the vengeance of God amen
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because the Lord will judge justly and I
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mean I work even currently with with
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several people who are survivors of
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horrendous abuse and over and over again
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that issue comes up let me just briefly
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I mean David said a couple of things
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about it I just want you understand why
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I'm here I think a lot of you know me
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but just in case I'm a new face for some
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of you for 16 years I was indeed a
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practicing witch for nine years I was an
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active freemason and involved in the
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shrine and held many lives offices for
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six years I was a panic priest for five
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years I was a devout Mormon four of them
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as an elder holding a temple recommend
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regularly attending the temple I've been
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through even the salt lake temple which
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is supposedly the Cadillac of temples I
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just realized that I'm gonna push that
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little thing there we are
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okay I have taught the highest levels of
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occult knowledge for more than a decade
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to dozens of students there I say almost
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hundreds when we were running the one
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River running covens I have two masters
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degrees one in an O theology of pastoral
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counseling and one in counseling and I
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practice currently as a certified drug
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and alcohol counselor our ministry has
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been involved with counseling hundreds
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of people and thousands of hours
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virtually all of whom were survivors of
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some sort of cult abuse and we've been
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doing this for about ten years that I've
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walked where a lot of people don't
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really want to walk and would even care
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to walk however all these years of
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occult discipline and even academic
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training amount to nothing next to the
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excellency of the knowledge of Christ
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Jesus my Lord I want to make that very
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clear because it's only in him that we
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have what we need and when I said that
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I'm quoting my fellow ex occultist the
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Apostle Paul and enough all of you get
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that but anyway what we're here to talk
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about today is a great evil that's been
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done in our midst but also more than
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that I want to discuss methods of
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healing the wounds brought about by that
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evil because I think to do the first
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without doing the second would do
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nothing but engender a lot of
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helplessness however to do the second
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without the first be virtually
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impossible even in the medical realm you
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have to study the pathology before you
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can study the Cure and I think really
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the the metaphor I like to use here is
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what happened in the medical realm of
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surgery I think we all know what surgery
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is but I think probably the unless
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you've studied it people don't realize
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that many years ago when it was in its
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infancy a lot of people were dying
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they'd had go in for surgery for various
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things and they just died and nobody
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knew why and then someone came along I
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believe it was Lister with the idea that
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maybe there's these tiny little
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invisible animals that are causing
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post-operative problems and you know
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germs and and so he pretend of course
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everybody laughed at him everybody
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thought it wasn't nut and and yet he
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started applying his take
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Meek's and there was a higher survival
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rate for the surgeries and now today we
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understand that today you know if you go
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into an operating room and probably be
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hard to find anywhere that was a more
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sterile field if you want to use that
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expression than anywhere else but the
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thing I'm worried about is that in many
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cases therapists and other helping
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professionals are avoiding the issue of
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little invisible animals that are
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causing problems in the post-operative
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recovery of survivors okay we are today
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at a crossroads in there we find that
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some patients do okay with conventional
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therapeutic techniques but many don't
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and some in spite of the best efforts of
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therapists fail to thrive they don't
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heal emotionally and their lives are
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frequently crippled to the point that
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they have very little joy in life and I
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think that's very unfortunate and I
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submit to you that just as invisible
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organisms were tearing apart the insides
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of the people in the early days of
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surgery I also would say that that's
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what's happening in many cases here now
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the question was raised earlier about
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the demonic versus the issue of
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dissociative disorder or MPD or whatever
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you want to call it and I would agree I
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think it is not an either/or it's an and
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but I think it is both I think there is
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there's a mixture I really personally do
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not believe you can have MPD without
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having it to be initiated by demonic
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activity but I think that once the
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demons have been cast out there's still
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a great deal of integration and healing
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to be done and that that is somewhat the
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approach that we use when we have tried
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to work with people now I'm not even
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going to spend time talking about the
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the issue of the naysayers and one of my
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books lose the pretty throne I call them
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the Sadducees the people who don't
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believe this is real David did them a
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did a very good job of giving them a
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very sound something this morning and I
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don't think I need to ride that horse
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any further I I think it's dead but
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suffice it to say that the body of
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Christ in general has kind of been in
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denial about this it doesn't fit into
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our world
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view it doesn't fit in to what what most
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of us including me would like to think
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the world is you know we like to think
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the world is a safe place where you know
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rot Norman Rockwell seems rule and where
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every kid is is happy and healthy and
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his parents love them that would be
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wonderful but I that's not the case I
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mean none of us really think that but
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yet the church has chosen to the most
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part turn their backs on this I get so
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many calls from people whose pastors
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won't talk to them whose fellow
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congregation members are scared to death
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of them who who think you know that
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they're there you know they've been
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crawling with demons and one night and
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jump off or whatever and land on another
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church member I don't know what the deal
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is I don't know if they think it's
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contagious or what but the fact of the
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matter is that the church has not really
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been doing the job and they are ignoring
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part of the battleground and I I don't I
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don't know that I need to spend a lot of
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time here because I think I'm kind of
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preaching to the choir but I do want to
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explain that there's three levels to the
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conflict here and unfortunately the
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people that have been hurt by abuse are
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the victims of a war and it's a war
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between the devil and humanity and the
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devil is trying to steal kill and
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destroy everything every how anywhere he
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can and you folks have been caught in
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the mills of his deception through the
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victimization you have received and what
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you need to understand is that in none
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of this it's not just about the people
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that have hurt you they themselves or
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puppets in the hands of an unseen force
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and what has happened is if you don't
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deal with that you don't deal with those
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unseen forces you're gonna have a lot of
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problems getting fully integrated and
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fully whole it varies from person to
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person but we have seen some people with
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like upwards of 50 personalities 50
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alders whatever term you want to use
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integrate within a matter of a week or
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less we've had other people that have
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taken a good deal amount of time you
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know and I that somehow are involved in
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the way Jesus Christ chooses to deal
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with each and every one of these people
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the
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each and one is a unique individual so
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to ignore the battle I think is a
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mistake and I know many therapists who
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who don't want to pray with their
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clients who are afraid to pray with
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their clients I'm not afraid to pray
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with the clients that I see that's
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because a lot of them are already at the
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end of their rope and they're willing to
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try anything
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amen you know it's like the old saying
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there are no atheists in foxholes and
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unfortunately I think most people are
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survivors of abuse live their entire
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life in a foxhole and it's not their
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fault but I mean it's like shelves are
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falling all around them and they're
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terrified and they'll take anything they
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can get and I again I agree with what
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what David said earlier we need to be
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eclectic we need to be informed and how
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we are eclectic and we need to proceed
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with that in mind that we can use the
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counseling strategies that we know we
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can use the spiritual tactics that we
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understand we need to minister to the
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whole person body soul and spirit I'm
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going to talk a little bit about that
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and I'll probably get some people upset
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with me and I'll probably get in trouble
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but that's okay I do that very well amen
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so anyhow I ask your indulgence in
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advance let me just give you some
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background on what's going on here we're
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dealing with basically three or four
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entities that are doing this abuse and
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what I mean entities I don't mean like
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spirits I mean organizations now there
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are of course thousands probably of
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isolated people that are abusing
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children maybe even tens of thousands
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but I think a lot of this is being done
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by organized movements of some sort
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whether it's within and the ones I'm
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gonna discuss briefly are the Masons the
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Mormon and witchcraft and Satanism and
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of course the thing that's sort of over
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them all and that is Illuminism I think
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probably does anybody here not have a
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clue about what masonry is okay we all
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know what masonry is secret society
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benevolent organization is totally of
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Antichrist and doesn't that sound AXI
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moronic somehow but that's what it is
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it's an anti Christian organization that
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presents itself as
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you know very very godly now we began
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finding evidence then when I say we both
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my wife and I are also back when I work
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with that Decker evidence of child abuse
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within the Masons in an enormous ly
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higher degree than anywhere else in the
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population probably 10 years ago and
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it's just gotten worse the evidence is
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mounting up and my theory on that is
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number one because of the corrupting
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influence of satan within the masons
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that if you're a Mason it's like you're
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sitting in the middle of spiritual
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sewage and you don't realize it and the
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key part of that spiritual sewage
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involves the fact that there is a push
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with in masonry toward the idea of child
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molestation and that's because of a Colt
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current that was set in motion by a guy
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by the name of Aleister Crowley and his
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name has already come up and because of
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the magical stuff that he did back in
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the early part of this century he
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invoked the whole current of child abuse
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of child molestation where children
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began to be used as as objects of sexual
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and magical ritual and over the over the
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decades this is this is now blossomed if
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you will into an incredibly complicated
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and malignant force in our society it's
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why I believe we're seeing an epidemic
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of this now so kohli was of course
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amazing and kohli was of course a
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ceremonial magician and he managed to
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get this malignant energy both into the
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witchcraft which he basically helped
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birth the Wiccan religion he helped
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bring to pass the revival of modern day
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witchcraft and ceremonial magic and so
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everything that these people touch many
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of whom are very well-meaning within
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these various religious movements is
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contaminated by this if you will satanic
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computer virus that crowley put into his
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system because it's very hard to
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practice any of these occult disciplines
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without using stuff that he developed I
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mean this guy was to modern-day magic
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what Edison was to electricity and I
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mean it's kind of hard to get around
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that ignoring Coley is like ignoring an
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elephant in your bedroom
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now witchcraft is a modern-day revival
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if you will of what is supposedly the
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ancient Paleolithic religion of Europe
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and it is called Wicca most commonly I
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don't want to go into a great deal of
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depth on it for time mistake if you
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really are interested in a and what I
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believe to be a very good study since I
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wrote it is book back there Wicca
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Satan's little white lie which goes into
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it and pretty good depth from a
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Christian perspective the the idea is
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though it was basically put together
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about really seventy-five eighty years
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ago by Gerald Gardner and Aleister
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Crowley two people who were masons and
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they in this fellow Gardner happened to
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be a nudist who also enjoyed being
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spanked you know we'd call him a
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masochist if we were talking psychology
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I just call him guy demonize frankly but
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anyway so he kind of put together a
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religion and involved nudity and
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whipping and and that religion blossomed
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into what is come to be known as the
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modern-day Wicca movement and there's
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just about as many Wiccan denominations
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as there are Christian denominations now
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it used to be there was basically
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traditionalist Wiccans and garden area
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and Alexandrian Wiccans now there's
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dozens of them I happened to be both in
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Alexandria and in a garden area in which
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in my day and a lot of masonry made
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itself in to witchcraft there's a lot of
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resemblances there which I don't want to
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go into now I believe Larry even has me
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on video delineating some of that the
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comparisons between the two religions
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there's a lot of them and between
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gardeners Masonic influence and
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Crowley's assigning influence there's a
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lot of dangerous stuff there too things
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of that nature most novel knowledgeable
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witches will tell you they don't worship
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the devil they will tell you they
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worship the goddess and the Horned God
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and there's a famous expression by a
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cultist named Dion fortune which is this
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he said all gods are one God all
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goddesses are one goddess and there is
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but one initiator and if you if you read
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further you will find that that
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initiator is Lucifer so Lucifer is the
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god of initiation
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and this boy is born out in the writings
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of modern day New Agers like for example
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David Spangler
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so Lucifer is the initiate whore so
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anytime you're involved in an initiating
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mystery religion it is Lucifer who is
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bringing the light witchcraft in its
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religious stance involves a veneration
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of forces of reproduction human and
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animal sexuality a revered the cycle of
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the seasons is celebrated rituals do
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frequently involve the use of tools
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which celebrate the human reproductive
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organs some witchcraft groups even have
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ritual sex believing that this is an
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important way to encounter the God the
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term mystery religion and masonry is a
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mystery religion Wicca is a mystery
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religion means that it is kept from the
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profane from the from the people that
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are outside the group it's not lie mean
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anybody can walk into a Christian Church
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that's not secret but but witchcraft
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rituals are for the most part secret
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Masonic rituals are secret of course
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they're not secret because people like
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Jack arrises put them on network
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television but I mean the intention was
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that these things would be secret so all
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of these things for the most part are
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mystery religions and I believe that is
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because at the core they're doing a lot
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of stuff they don't want anybody to know
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about amen
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I mean all of these groups are like
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artichokes they have layer upon layer
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upon layer and we found that out in my
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personal experiences we got deeper and
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deeper and deeper into witchcraft and
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the occult we got and letting the
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Satanism and I tell people just like we
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talk about marijuana as a gateway drug
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to harder drugs
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I think Wicca although it seems pretty
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innocent is a gateway drug if you will
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into harder systems of the occult and
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especially magic and witchcraft so
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anyway I got into the Satanism and what
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Satan ISM is is take witchcraft and just
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turn down the dial a little bit in terms
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of the light Satanists will tell you
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they are just witches that know what
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they're doing that's how one witch that
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they're one satanic which described
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herself to me you know I'm just a witch
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that knows what I'm involved in witches
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of course will
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fight that to the death I mean I get
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email almost every day from witches you
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know who castigate me for saying that
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they worship the devil and they say we
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don't even believe in the devil you know
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the devil was made up by the Christian
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Church I'm sorry he wasn't made up by
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the Christian Church he's in the Old
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Testament read it to me but beyond that
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the fact of the matter is that that
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whether you know it or not you could be
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doing one thing and actually doing
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another I can drink this water and
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believe that I'm drinking pure water and
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actually it could be arsenic and that's
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what's happening with the witches they
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believe they're worshiping this pure
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pristine Mother Goddess and Hornet God
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type of figure but actually it's
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poisonous and the trouble is it doesn't
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make any difference to the devil so with
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Satanists they know they're worshipping
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the devil a lot of the satanic rituals
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are similar to the witchcraft rituals
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the only difference is is that they make
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no apologies about worshiping the devil
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now there are a hardcore and softcore
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satanic groups we when we were into the
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Satanic movement we used to call Anton
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LaVey Church comic opera state lism
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because as bad as it looks to us the
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outward front that it provides is
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comparatively benign compared to real
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Satanism I mean because the Satanic the
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Church of Satan is a 501c3 corporation
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it's it's licensed under the federal
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government just the way that that your
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churches are obviously they can't have
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in their articles of vape we believe in
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sacrificing a baby on every witches
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Sabbath or we believe in doing this or
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we believe you know because naturally
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they'd be thrown in jail just like that
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so they have made statements over the
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years that we don't do these things we
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do not believe in killing babies we do
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not believe in killing anybody
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we reverence life we reverence nature
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and yet in the same time you read the
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Satanic Bible and there's a ritual of
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destruction in there you know so either
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they reverence life or they don't I mean
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which is it and if you reaiiy don't know
24:27
if ethically I would find a difference
24:30
between me going up to this lady here
24:33
and blowing they'll blowing her away
24:34
with a gun and me going up to this lady
24:37
here and cursing her to death
24:38
I mean either way she's just as dead
24:40
right you know and yet for some reason
24:42
they don't believe that that's the
24:43
problem I personally would and I they
24:45
state well anybody we cursed they
24:47
deserve it
24:48
you know like if for example levae
24:51
claims that he cursed Marilyn or not
24:55
Marilyn Monroe Jayne Mansfield's
24:56
boyfriend and then he was later on
24:59
decapitated with her in the car by a
25:01
head-on collision with a semi where the
25:03
the hood of the car just went right
25:05
through and guillotine both their heads
25:07
off now you know he says well a curse is
25:10
like a lightning bolt you throat you
25:12
never know where it's gonna land maybe
25:14
maybe not but the fact of the matter is
25:16
there's two dead people and there did
25:19
one of the matter whether he did put a
25:20
bomb in their car so the fact of the
25:23
matter is this stuff is real this stuff
25:25
is dangerous now beyond the softcore
25:28
stuff we have hardcore Satanism and my
25:32
my sources from within Satanism when I
25:34
was in it we were basically told that
25:35
lavay was just a front that he was given
25:38
tons of money by the Brotherhood which
25:40
is the hardcore Satanist to try and
25:43
float a balloon out there to see whether
25:46
the world was ready for a legitimate
25:48
satanic Church and of course obviously
25:51
it was to this day the Satanic Bible is
25:53
a best-seller in fact in the late 60s
25:58
and early 70s when it first came out it
26:00
outsold the Bible for a while on college
26:02
campuses that's kind of scary if you ask
26:05
me but anyhow I owned a copy of that I
26:08
think I still do own a copy of it I just
26:09
had a lock and a closet out in the
26:11
storage room anyhow and in the hardcore
26:15
groups they are the ones that are
26:17
involved with the sacrifice was a
26:20
torture with a man because that is
26:22
Satan's value that is Satan's highest
26:24
ideal he turns everything on its head if
26:27
Christians reverence human lights and
26:30
Satanists destroyed him in life if
26:32
Christians reverence chastity statements
26:34
during any can to destroy chastity if
26:36
Christians worship innocence not worship
26:39
it but would revere it then they will
26:41
take a child and do everything they can
26:42
to destroy that child's innocence
26:44
because the child is the ultimate
26:46
embodiment of innocence
26:48
so that is what you're talking about
26:52
with Satanism usually the there's kind
26:54
of a taxonomy of statements in which
26:56
I'll briefly give you because some of
26:57
you probably already know this you
26:59
usually talk about the dabblers first of
27:02
all people ask me all the time about all
27:04
they see these kids running around you
27:06
know we're having pentagrams tattooed on
27:07
their forehead and wearing you know
27:10
occult jewelry and things like that and
27:12
I basically say well these are people
27:15
who for whatever reason are dabbling in
27:17
it I doubt if they're actually involved
27:19
in heavy-duty Satanism although a few of
27:21
them are most of them it's they're doing
27:24
it because it's in the culture I mean
27:25
it's in the death metal music it's all
27:27
over I mean Satan is the ultimate you
27:30
know Idol of rebellion if you will and
27:32
so if a child wants to get rebellious
27:35
and of course all teenagers have to get
27:37
a little rebellious as part of becoming
27:39
an adult some of them really will kind
27:42
of latch on to state and as sort of a
27:44
romantic by Raonic miltonic kind of
27:47
figure and they'll romanticize them and
27:49
they'll know decide well we're going to
27:51
become Satanist and of course the other
27:53
side of statements which appeals to the
27:55
dabblers is its meal is 'm it's the idea
27:58
that basically they don't believe in
28:00
anything
28:00
it's life life is basically a crock and
28:04
you might as well just live like that
28:06
and and so you see the me list excited
28:09
state anism and the dabbler and you also
28:10
see the the more romantic side of it
28:14
where they just appeal the Gothic stuff
28:16
and all of that a lot of that is is
28:18
appealing to them so then you have the
28:21
the religious Satanist as they're called
28:23
that like the temple of set in the
28:25
Church of Satan and these are legal
28:27
satanic organizations there are others
28:29
the church's satanic group liberation is
28:31
one although it's even interesting like
28:34
even with a temple of set which was
28:35
started by Michael Aquino he broke away
28:38
from Levay he was like well one of the
28:40
ways right hand people Aquino even
28:42
though he protests his innocence has
28:44
been implicated in numerous cases of
28:47
child abuse when he was at the Presidio
28:48
in San Francisco and many people had
28:52
alleged that he's involved in horrendous
28:54
forms of child abuse and monarch
28:57
programming and things like that so you
28:59
know there's some crossover here then
29:01
the
29:01
kind of usually discussed there the
29:03
rogue Satanist these are the isolated
29:06
you know people who you could say
29:08
they're nut cases you could say they're
29:10
their demon-possessed you could say
29:12
they're both but these are people that
29:14
don't necessarily operate with any
29:16
visible and I emphasize that word
29:18
visible connection to any occult groups
29:21
that are like serial killers satanic
29:23
killers things like that people like
29:25
Ramirez and Bundy and some of those
29:27
although I personally feel there's a lot
29:30
of circumstantial evidence to tie mr.
29:33
Bundy to to various heavy duty occult
29:36
groups in the Seattle area that it's
29:39
interesting David was mentioning the
29:41
this was a lot Loftus who's at the
29:45
University of Washington well we were
29:47
living out there and the word out there
29:50
is is that there's a huge kind of a
29:53
network that operates out of the
29:56
University of Washington Seattle and
29:58
their psychology department that is
30:00
heavy-duty into Satanism a hardcore
30:04
Satanism and if one of the one of the
30:06
professor's there we were never able to
30:07
nail it down is is actually one of the
30:10
highest level Satanists in the whole
30:12
Pacific Northwest so you know there is a
30:15
lot of connection there but these are
30:17
called the rolls and then finally we
30:19
have the multi-generational Satanist or
30:21
the the ones that are doing the the
30:24
organized forms of ritual abuse and
30:27
they're the ones that of course are most
30:29
germane to this topic here today and at
30:32
the top of their organization is what is
30:34
of course called Illuminism the
30:37
Illuminati the Illuminati orden and the
30:39
names are different but it's all the
30:40
same thing people who believe they have
30:42
been enlightened by Lucifer people who
30:45
believe that they have received the
30:47
loose the ferric initiation to the
30:48
ultimate extent and that they have
30:51
literally become perfectly possessed in
30:54
some cases they've gone through the five
30:56
steps if you will and they have actually
30:59
become living gods they believe the
31:02
Turner is used as its it seemeth which
31:05
means the very self of self so these are
31:08
the these are the ones that are running
31:09
the whole show on the earth although of
31:11
course we understand all these people
31:13
are
31:14
are a glove with the Satanic hand inside
31:18
of it there's really very little left of
31:20
a human being in there okay now what
31:27
about those are the those are the
31:28
perpetrators if you will those are the
31:30
people that are doing it especially you
31:32
know the statements and the Masons and
31:34
the aluminous I think is the ones we
31:36
need to implicate the most strongly in
31:38
this I'm not gonna say that there's a
31:40
lot of white witches or Wiggins running
31:43
around abusing their children I don't
31:44
really think that's the case at least I
31:45
hope it isn't but my concern for them is
31:48
is that they are in the middle of some
31:50
real nasty spiritual energy and it could
31:53
very easily draw them in because I've
31:57
counseled with a couple of men who are
32:00
themselves Masonic people who were being
32:05
drawn into this and I know I myself was
32:07
being drawn into this as a Mason I was
32:09
increasingly finding it harder and
32:11
harder to avoid doing that kind of stuff
32:14
and it was only I think by the grace of
32:15
God that they got the the Lord got me
32:17
out of it but in talking with these
32:20
people it's very evident that there's a
32:22
powerful seductive force at work within
32:24
the Masons within the state nests and
32:27
within all these organizations the draws
32:29
especially men but even women deeper
32:32
into the idea that I have the right to
32:35
take my sexual pleasure where I will
32:37
when I will I have the right to
32:39
victimize I have the right especially
32:41
with children because the bisexually
32:44
vamp rising children these people are
32:46
taught they can live forever
32:48
that is the doctrine behind it and it's
32:51
a horrible thing of course it's not true
32:53
it's intended to be a counterfeit for
32:56
the resurrection life of Jesus Christ
32:57
offers us and it's a very very poor
33:00
counterfeit because frankly it doesn't
33:01
work at all but the problem with it is
33:03
is that in the process of its not
33:05
working at all thousands of young people
33:07
are being victimized that is one of the
33:10
reasons why this stuff is being done
33:12
it's not the only reason by any means
33:14
this is a multi-faceted problem and I
33:18
think that's already been addressed but
33:19
it can't be emphasized strongly enough
33:21
this is is it is a problem and impacts
33:24
for many different directions and so the
33:26
solutions have to
33:27
for many different directions so how do
33:29
we proceed what is the solution
33:32
we I believe the number one way like we
33:35
said earlier getting well is the best
33:36
revenge we we begin by taking the battle
33:39
to the enemy and the enemy is not the
33:42
survivor the enemy is the spiritual
33:45
forces that have caused the survivor to
33:47
be victimized now there's many models of
33:50
intervention there's the medical model
33:52
which is used there's the insight
33:54
oriented therapeutic model there's the
33:57
Ministry of the cure of souls as it used
33:59
to be called prayer and attending and
34:01
then there's spiritual what I call
34:03
spiritual crisis intervention or
34:04
deliverance we prefer to call it
34:07
liberation because the word delivered
34:08
some kind of gotten a bad name in some
34:10
Christian circles but it doesn't matter
34:12
it's a semantical thing I believe that
34:15
we must be open to whatever works as
34:17
long as it's biblical I think we need to
34:20
be open to anything that will help these
34:23
people get better because that is what
34:24
we're here for
34:26
I think we need to look at human beings
34:30
as multi-dimensional creatures beings
34:33
with spirits with souls and with body
34:34
and we didn't minister to all three of
34:37
those areas and above all else we need
34:38
to have humility before the Holy Spirit
34:41
that if he wants to lead me in a
34:43
direction that I haven't gone into
34:46
something new that we need to be open to
34:47
there because all of us have our little
34:49
clinical models a little therapeutic
34:51
models you know and and I've found over
34:54
the years that God has an interesting
34:55
way of shattering those so he can put
34:58
them back together better and you know
35:00
that's that's what I always my prayer
35:02
has always been and I would be open to
35:04
that I already mentioned the fat and I
35:07
don't know if I'm stepping on anybody's
35:09
toes here in talking about the spirit
35:12
and the soul but these are parts of the
35:14
human person and if you neglect them
35:16
you're not going to really get healing
35:18
you're not really going to get wholeness
35:20
and on the other hand if we try to deal
35:23
with a spirit in the soul without
35:25
dealing with the body we're gonna have
35:27
some problems
35:27
because there's all sorts of issues
35:29
involving things like body work body
35:31
memories things like that that need to
35:33
be dealt with and we're going to talk
35:35
about that a little bit too Satan can
35:38
gain the whole point behind abuse is
35:40
Satan
35:41
to gain a foothold in the life of these
35:43
children and he does so by victimizing
35:47
them because he knows a little child
35:48
can't understand what's being done to
35:50
them I mean few adults could understand
35:52
that this stuff was done to them and so
35:54
the child gets angry because anger is a
35:57
response to injustice if the child is
35:59
being hurt the child gets angry if the
36:02
child is being hurt in a way that is
36:04
just past human understanding the anger
36:07
becomes a myth and so the idea is is to
36:10
get the child to have open doorways for
36:12
demonic infestation and that's what
36:15
usually happens you know I don't really
36:17
see how any child can be sexually
36:20
victimized without having some sort of
36:22
demonic element involved and that's
36:25
partly because frankly the perpetrators
36:27
have to be demonized because obviously
36:28
no normal person whoever that is is
36:31
gonna do something like this stuff we're
36:33
discussing here they just wouldn't I
36:35
mean I'm sorry I go around the bend list
36:38
because I work in an agency with with
36:40
people who are mostly secular there's
36:43
one or two other people there that are
36:44
believers but you know I keep trying to
36:46
talk about evil with a capital e and and
36:50
they don't want to hear about that and
36:52
then on the other hand behind the back
36:54
they're reading my book Lucifer
36:55
dethroned or you know want to Bob
36:57
Larson's books or something like that
36:58
and it's really kind of funny in a way
37:01
but but I tell people I'm sorry you
37:03
cannot explain a Charles Manson or a
37:05
Jeffrey Dahmer or any of these other
37:07
people just by the fedot they had bad
37:09
potty training I mean it's more than
37:11
that and I know I'm giving a simplified
37:14
caricature of psychoanalysis here in
37:16
psychotherapy but but there is also
37:18
spiritual evil and while I'm not a great
37:21
fan of em Scott Peck I have to give him
37:25
credit for at least bringing that word
37:27
back into the psychiatrist vocabulary
37:29
somewhat you know with his book people
37:31
of the lie so a lot of people need to
37:35
understand that there is real evil and
37:38
what we are seeing here is the
37:40
outworking of that evil in human form
37:42
now also there's the issue of being
37:45
sinned again if you're sinned against in
37:48
an occult group or in a cult
37:49
a cult group that also can be opened
37:53
doorway
37:54
and so there needs to be ministry there
37:56
they are also often lured into a cult
37:58
sent I mean some of these kids are
38:01
taught a cult stuff just like you take
38:04
your kids to Sunday school and and of
38:06
course then there's the abuse the sexual
38:08
abuse to use of incubi and succubi did I
38:12
just lose anybody here does everybody
38:14
here know what an incubus and a succubus
38:15
is okay there's some godly soul type the
38:20
fact that whenever there's sexual
38:21
victimization so the soul ty is created
38:24
and that of course is a real problem
38:26
then there's the use of hypnosis and
38:27
triggers and then there's often times
38:30
the child gets so upset they curse the
38:32
parents that have done this to them it's
38:34
probably understandable but it's also an
38:36
open doorway proverbs 20 20
38:38
okay usually we get the people after
38:44
they've already been through the system
38:45
quote-unquote we and we don't do as much
38:50
of this as we used to anymore because
38:51
frankly were too busy but but back when
38:53
we were in Seattle the people would come
38:56
to us sometimes seem by carload would
39:00
would be after they'd already been had
39:02
Luke therapist and the psychiatrist and
39:04
the pastor's throw up their hands and
39:06
just say we can't handle this anymore
39:08
and so we checked through on this and we
39:12
usually find that the psychological
39:13
look-alikes for demonization had already
39:16
been dealt with we tried to work in
39:20
terms of the brief approached crisis
39:23
oriented therapy with prayer and with
39:26
dealing with the spirits right then and
39:29
there what we used to call a surgical
39:31
strike from the Holy Spirit of God you
39:34
know again and I love the metaphor that
39:36
they even used I think I've used it
39:37
myself see I did if a the prayer and
39:39
using the Holy Spirit is like sending in
39:41
the air force and then afterwards you
39:43
send in the infantry to mop it up and
39:45
we're the infantrymen so we you know
39:49
work with these people we tried to bring
39:52
them through to a place and and it's
39:54
very simple what we do first of all we
39:57
we work with the generational sin issues
40:00
and obviously if your parents are
40:02
multi-generational abusers there is
40:04
satanic stuff coming through the
40:06
generational line next to the
40:08
verse 5 the sins of the fathers or
40:10
visitors of the children then
40:12
secondarily we work with the issue of
40:16
any personal religious sins that these
40:19
people have committed by that I mean
40:21
involvement and cult involvement in
40:23
things like Ouija board involvement in
40:26
things such as that they have been
40:29
Catholics or Mormons or drawable
40:31
witnesses because this is this is trans
40:33
denominational I mean there are people
40:35
in any Christian denomination that are
40:37
being victim
40:38
excuse me victimized in its way but if
40:40
you're involved with things like
40:42
Mormonism there's some real spiritual
40:44
authority there it needs to be broken
40:45
because the Mormon Church is the cult
40:48
the Catholic Church is occult the the
40:51
jola witnesses are occult all these
40:53
different groups are occult groups and
40:55
they have headship authority which is
41:00
negative not positive and if you don't
41:03
understand what I mean by that I suggest
41:05
you grab one of our free newsletters off
41:06
the back table because it talks about
41:09
the issue of headship and spiritual
41:10
authority and how it can even work in a
41:12
church wide level because if you're
41:15
under someone who's the false prophet
41:17
that can have a negative impact on you
41:19
as a person if you're under someone and
41:22
by that I don't mean just in terms of
41:24
your local clergy I mean even if like
41:26
you're in an organization where at the
41:28
top of it is like say the Mormon prophet
41:30
then that opens up a doorway it's foul
41:35
headship it's negative headship that can
41:37
definitely cause you to be spiritually
41:39
contaminated okay then we go through the
41:44
third step we use as we deal with
41:45
personal sins of a non religious nature
41:48
by that we mean things like issues of
41:52
unforgiveness and that's a big issue
41:54
because it's hard to forgive but yet the
41:57
Lord asks us that in Jesus name we
42:00
forgive the people that have hurt us
42:02
that doesn't mean we have to get all
42:04
warm and fuzzy towards them it just
42:06
means we need to forgive you know other
42:09
things here's what our sexual sins
42:11
whether it's drugs and you see that's
42:13
the problem a lot of the people by the
42:15
time they came to us they had so much
42:17
pain in their lives they've gone to drug
42:19
they've gone to alcohol they've gone to
42:21
all sorts of compulsive behaviors which
42:24
is a spirit of bondage often and and
42:26
they had all this under their belts
42:28
already and we needed to pray and and
42:31
remove those strongholds and it's not
42:33
that hard it really isn't and then
42:36
finally we deal with the issue of soul
42:38
ties breaking any soul links between the
42:41
person any other person with whom
42:43
they've been set had sexual contact
42:45
because that's very critical very
42:47
critical and it isn't necessary we don't
42:50
believe that the person know everybody
42:52
with whom they've had sex because for a
42:54
child has been sexually abused that
42:56
would probably be impossible at least in
42:58
a ritual abuse case because sometimes
43:00
you know there might be twenty or thirty
43:02
things like that in one day in one night
43:05
at a ritual so it isn't necessary the
43:07
Lord knows who you're dealing with so
43:12
that is what is done usually then we
43:15
finally if the person has actually been
43:17
involved in in heavy-duty occult stuff
43:20
of their own freewill and a chord like
43:22
let's say they've been a trance
43:23
channeler let's say they've been a a
43:25
witch High Priest or something like that
43:27
then there's some specialized things we
43:29
lead them through all this explained in
43:31
our book blood on the doorpost that's
43:33
why I don't want to spend a tremendous
43:35
amount of time on it right now
43:37
but the key thing to bear in mind is is
43:40
that in doing this you're working at the
43:43
very fundamental level of the person
43:44
you're working at the spiritual and at
43:47
the soul level and only God can get in
43:50
there the therapists camp but the Holy
43:52
Spirit knows exactly what each
43:55
individual person needs and if you pray
43:57
and you see we've been talking a lot
43:58
about negative opened doorways let me
44:00
talk about a positive opened doorway if
44:02
this person that you're working with is
44:04
willing to pray and open themselves up
44:07
and say Holy Spirit I invite you in to
44:11
me to begin to work in whatever areas of
44:14
my inner self you deem appropriate then
44:18
that's an open doorway for God because
44:20
unlike the devil God is a gentleman
44:22
God will never go where he is not
44:24
invited that includes salvation and it
44:28
also includes ministry so you need to
44:31
invite this ministry in
44:33
and actually be a major part of the
44:35
prayer after that then we get into the
44:37
area of emotional healing and working
44:40
with I'm not a big fan of what is
44:46
normally called inner healing I don't
44:48
know if I you know if I'm stepping on
44:50
anyone's toes there but a lot of that
44:52
can be very dangerous because it
44:55
involves so much borderline of cultic
44:58
type practice but I do think there are
45:01
some valid things in the idea of healing
45:03
the the spirit of the person involving
45:06
prayer for forgiveness involving washing
45:09
the person spiritually and some of that
45:12
I think you just need to be very very
45:14
careful when you read these inner
45:15
healing books because you know there's a
45:18
lot of bones in there among the fish in
45:20
terms of the Bible I think and I think
45:22
you need to be very careful with that
45:24
but nevertheless we need to minister in
45:27
that area too because that's the soul
45:28
realm that's the realm of the mind the
45:30
will and the emotion and that's where
45:32
most of the battle is going to take
45:33
place is in that very area one thing I
45:37
want to say and that is people ask me in
45:39
fact I don't even have my colleagues at
45:41
work asked me are you an exorcist and I
45:44
don't know what they think of at that
45:45
point you know some guy with a black hat
45:47
and a bag walking up a misty you know a
45:49
misty night scene like in the movie but
45:52
I say no I'm not an exorcist because the
45:56
word exorcism in the Bible does not have
45:58
a real good pedigree it's basically a
46:00
magical occult ritual for kicking out
46:03
demons you can find exorcism and all of
46:06
the great magical work texts the greater
46:08
Key of Solomon a lesser Key of Solomon
46:10
the black pull-up things like that and
46:13
if you'll notice in the Bible The
46:15
Exorcist didn't fare very well did they
46:17
they fared about as well as the guy in
46:18
the movie did that you know got his head
46:20
turned around backwards or whatever it
46:21
was or try to get thrown down a flight
46:24
of stairs but the point is is that
46:27
exorcism is a magic right that's not
46:29
what we do what we do well we don't do
46:32
anything we just pray that the Lord
46:33
would deliver people and that is what we
46:37
do so we try to stay away from the word
46:39
exorcism and whenever somebody walks up
46:41
into me and says al I'm an exorcist I
46:43
say I'm really sorry for you you know
46:45
well it's a common you know it's a
46:47
common misnomer but people need to read
46:50
their Bibles you know I mean you know
46:52
why if I read the Bible I read that
46:53
thing about I wasn't about the seven
46:56
sons of sceva in the book of Acts I want
46:57
to say Wow
46:58
I want to do just like they did you know
47:00
I want to get the snot beaten out of me
47:02
by a demon
47:03
you know nothing for me things okay
47:06
anyway we also very much believe in the
47:10
idea that we want the person or working
47:13
with to understand that it's not us
47:15
that's doing it it's them and Jesus that
47:18
are doing that we want to empower the
47:20
person we encourage them if at all
47:22
possible to say the prayers with us and
47:25
to repeat the prayers after us so that
47:27
way they know that they can do this
47:29
because this stuff might come up again
47:32
and they need to know that it's them in
47:34
Jesus you know we don't want to have
47:36
them addicted to us any more than we
47:38
want to have them addicted to some other
47:40
drug or whatever because it's not that
47:43
necessary Jesus Christ is the great
47:46
deliverer and if you're a Christian you
47:48
have just as much authority as I do or
47:50
as David does or as anybody else in this
47:53
room does and there's nothing special
47:55
about me there's nothing special about
47:57
anybody who's in this kind of ministry
47:59
other than the fact that we've got a
48:00
little experience under our belt and the
48:03
only other thing that might make me a
48:04
little bit unique is that my background
48:06
is somewhat bizarre you'll have to admit
48:09
so I do know a little more about some of
48:11
this stuff than the average Minister
48:13
might know but the bottom line is we
48:15
want to encourage them to be empowered
48:18
to know that they and Jesus Christ
48:20
together can work through this and so
48:24
the other thing is to deal with
48:26
strongholds because the strongholds way
48:28
I look at it and I know you've probably
48:30
talked to five different people who work
48:32
in this area and get five different
48:33
approaches on this but the strongholds I
48:36
feel or what is in the flesh you can't
48:38
cast out the flesh unfortunately and
48:41
this is what makes the work with
48:43
dissociative disorder people challenging
48:46
is because that's in the flesh these
48:49
elaborate architectures and constructs
48:52
that you saw Mary Jo putting up on the
48:55
screen this morning these are very
48:57
carefully poor
48:59
in the person's mind into their heart
49:02
and that's part of us that's not demonic
49:05
now the demons help hold everything in
49:08
place and when they're gone we have
49:11
found that integration is about a
49:12
hundred times easier but that still
49:15
needs to be done that's why it says in
49:16
second Corinthians you know the weapons
49:18
of our warfare are not carnal but mighty
49:20
through God to the pulling down of
49:21
strongholds we have to do that in God
49:24
just like we it says we have to work out
49:27
our salvation fear and trembling so
49:29
that's a work we have to do but we start
49:32
out by praying and asking the Lord to
49:34
begin to wash away those strongholds to
49:37
dismantle Oh stronghold to put
49:39
everything back and the person the way
49:40
he wants it to be because God knows how
49:43
he wants you to be amen
49:45
I don't know no therapist no clinician
49:48
knows but God knows who the perfect
49:51
person is inside of you and how to bring
49:53
that person out even from all of the
49:56
crud and all the pain and all the
49:57
anxiety you're under there and and God
50:01
can bring you out if you allow them to
50:02
minister in that area one area that I
50:06
want to say real quick before I leave
50:07
this is we really earnestly urge people
50:12
not to speak to the demons and I know
50:14
there's differing opinions on this but
50:16
you know some people get information
50:18
from the demons and when that I by that
50:21
I don't mean you can't say anything with
50:22
Jesus I command you to come out because
50:23
obviously that is speaking to them I'm
50:25
talking about holding conversations with
50:27
them I'm talking about getting into
50:29
theological debates with them and I've
50:31
seen some people do that you know it's a
50:33
mistake to do that number one because if
50:36
you get information from a demon you're
50:38
channeling think about it
50:40
that's how a trance channeler works
50:42
there's a demon spirit that comes in and
50:43
then gives a cult information that that
50:46
may not be known to anybody and there it
50:49
is that's channeling and whether you do
50:52
it as a Christian or whether you do it
50:53
as a heathen it doesn't matter it's
50:55
still channeling and that's a sin and so
50:57
you've just opened another doorway so
50:59
that's like you know it's like bailing
51:01
out a rowboat and I mean little Atlantic
51:03
Ocean where there's a hole in the
51:04
rowboat the size of a basketball you're
51:06
never gonna get the person set free and
51:08
you know that's why I think some of
51:10
these people
51:12
have this kind of ministry they keep
51:13
getting repossessed and I don't mean
51:15
that to be a bad joke I mean they keep
51:17
coming back and they keep meeting more
51:18
demons cast out on I mean it's like
51:20
there's an infinite number of them in
51:22
there and of course that's not true
51:23
because God alone is infinite and God
51:25
power alone is infinite and when Jesus
51:27
Christ that somebody free he sets them
51:30
free and that means that the demons are
51:33
gone unless the person is somehow you
51:36
know not being upfront with God and
51:38
that's hard not to do but you know every
51:40
now and then we run into that where
51:42
we've had to have two or three follow-up
51:43
sessions because the person was hiding
51:45
something in their heart are not willing
51:47
to let it go but that's the rarity most
51:49
people by the time they come to us are
51:51
pretty well broken and and ready for
51:53
anything God wants to do in them and
51:54
it's a real blessing to work with them
51:55
so we just we say why talk to demons to
51:59
get information when you can go to the
52:00
Holy Spirit and get information amen you
52:03
know that's that to me is just
52:04
elementary but I do need to mention it
52:07
let's see okay another thing I want to
52:14
mention is when you're dealing with
52:15
someone who's coming out of a group like
52:17
this whether it's been an organized
52:19
thing like the Mormon Church or the Joba
52:22
witnesses or whether it's an underground
52:24
thing there needs to be some a special
52:26
concern in the area of discipleship if
52:29
this person has been saved that's great
52:32
praise the Lord but they're gonna have
52:34
some special needs and pastors I think
52:36
need to be aware of this that you can't
52:39
just treat them like everybody else
52:40
because they're it's not that they've
52:42
just gone they've got a whole bunch of
52:45
bad information in their hearts that's
52:46
the problem they've they've been told a
52:48
lot of lies I mean I've been working
52:50
with this one person right now for over
52:52
a year and she still cannot believe some
52:58
of the stuff that's in the simple gospel
52:59
of Jesus Christ she still can't believe
53:02
that God loves her in spite of all the
53:04
bad stuff that she was made to do and
53:07
and I have to keep telling her that over
53:09
and over again and and that takes a
53:12
little patience you know even sometimes
53:13
you feel like you want to just ground by
53:15
the throat and say listen this is what
53:17
it is you know but that I never have
53:19
done that of course but it's tempting
53:21
sometimes and and the reason is is that
53:23
this stuff has been a hammer
53:24
I've been seared into their minds
53:26
through what for lack of a better word
53:28
is programming and that's even true of
53:30
the more softcore cults like the the
53:33
Mormons and the Java witnesses those
53:34
people are brainwashed they are a cult
53:37
program maybe not in a severe away and
53:39
as severe away as say for example these
53:42
monarch program people or whatever but
53:45
they're still programmed and you need to
53:47
be very patient and you need to do you
53:51
know all sorts of special teaching with
53:53
them and and helping them to get their
53:55
doctrines straight helping them to know
53:56
especially how infinite and how gracious
53:59
now unconditional love of Jesus Christ
54:01
really is because that's not what
54:03
they've been told out to the Senate
54:04
dumps with the years they have not been
54:06
given that good news and even though
54:08
they're saved they haven't appropriated
54:10
that in their heart and that's that's so
54:12
critical they understand that and of
54:14
course we do recommend that the person
54:16
coming out of any kind of a cult thing
54:18
where where they themselves were
54:20
practitioners that they should destroy
54:22
any you know stuff that belong to them
54:25
books paraphernalia things like that
54:27
because that destroys anything that can
54:30
trigger them and destroys any any kind
54:32
of possible demonic links and things of
54:34
that nature now let's talk for a minute
54:37
about the soul in the body we talked
54:39
already a little bit about emotional
54:41
healing but when you've gone through all
54:43
of this as a as a as a the abuse that
54:46
you've gone through your trust in human
54:49
beings has been pretty well shattered
54:50
and fear has been fostered and of course
54:53
ritual abuse is designed to drive the
54:55
person to a state of emotional overload
54:57
to shut down the circuit and and that is
55:01
then when the person come in there and
55:03
start reprogramming and making them into
55:05
whatever they want them to be and we
55:08
really need to be present for the client
55:11
when we're working with people like this
55:12
because they need over and over again to
55:15
have your care affirmed to them your
55:18
affirmation in front of them and also
55:19
God that God is there for them that God
55:22
loves them because sometimes they had a
55:23
lot of problems hearing from God at
55:25
first and you need to kind of help them
55:28
through that process of being birthed
55:31
through being born again that sounds
55:33
funny I don't mean to say that salvation
55:34
is a process but for most of these
55:37
people
55:37
understanding the miracle of salvation
55:40
can be a process I mean I'm not saying I
55:43
understand it I don't understand it by a
55:45
longshot you know that's why we have the
55:46
hymn amazing great but because it's
55:49
something that I don't think any of us
55:50
will comprehend this side of heaven but
55:52
we need to be very patient with them now
55:55
there is a problem here and I hope I
55:59
don't offend anybody what I'm about to
56:00
say but I believe there's been a
56:03
disturbing tendency in the in the
56:06
psychiatric and therapeutic community
56:08
lately to move more and more in the
56:10
direction of for lack of a better word
56:12
what we call a medical model of doing
56:14
things to view the body as as just that
56:18
a body instead of plumbing instead of
56:21
you know this and that the other thing
56:23
and if it's broke you fix it and that's
56:26
that's gotten into the area of what we
56:28
have come to call mental illness even
56:30
though I cringe every time I hear that
56:31
term because I don't think it's the mind
56:35
of ill the software is is if you will
56:40
our mind the brain is the hardware and
56:43
in many cases the problem is in the
56:46
brain obviously there's also a lot of
56:49
bad ideas in there too that's the
56:51
software that's what we were just
56:52
talking about dealing with the emotions
56:54
dealing with the the intellectual
56:56
concepts helping people to understand
56:58
what it really means to be a Christian
57:00
but also we need to look at the hardware
57:03
and here's the difficulty there is a
57:06
modern medical philosophy which seems to
57:08
be that we deal with the symptoms rather
57:10
than the cause if someone is upset we
57:13
give them a drug if someone is anxious
57:16
we give them a drug if someone is
57:18
whatever give them a drug you know and
57:21
then we wonder why our young people are
57:22
out there using drugs duh the parents
57:25
are using drugs and and I think this is
57:28
the problem psychiatrists it seems to me
57:31
are getting less and less training and
57:33
actually working with patients in more
57:35
and more training in basically giving
57:38
them drugs and this is a real problem
57:41
you know we have two psychiatrists that
57:44
we work with in our agency and well
57:48
anyway one of them is basically he's
57:51
like a dispenser divider you go to him
57:54
you pull his arm and out comes Prozac
57:56
you know I mean you can walk in there
57:59
with anything and out comes prozac or
58:02
whatever and we have another doctor who
58:05
happens to be a Hindu psychiatrist and
58:09
he's a very nice guy
58:10
but he's always everybody to coast to
58:13
see him tells me he's cranky you know
58:16
he's cranky all the time and and finally
58:19
one client asked why are you cranky all
58:22
the time and he says because they only
58:24
have these legs with some success rate
58:25
yeah
58:29
other people would go see him never get
58:31
better I mean if I had that kind of a
58:33
success rate I think I'd find another
58:35
profession again but anyway this is a
58:38
real problem because if you mask the
58:41
symptoms how are you gonna get it the
58:43
underlying cause one of the underlying
58:45
cause is emotional
58:47
or whether it's demonic or whatever I
58:49
mean there's just no way we can do that
58:50
we all tend to forget and we've all been
58:53
like this I mean and I'm as guilty as
58:55
the next person it used to be the first
58:57
time I had a headache bang I'd go for
58:59
the Advil the first time I had any kind
59:02
of an Inc at all I'd go for the whatever
59:04
you know excedrin or ABS what's this do
59:06
want to leave and that you know pain is
59:11
a warning whether it's emotional pain or
59:14
whether it's physical pain it's like
59:16
when the when the red lights come out on
59:19
your dashboard and you're driving right
59:21
you know and many people what we're
59:23
doing and I don't care if you're if
59:25
you're a person who's a survivor or if
59:28
you're just a normal person whatever
59:30
that means it's like you're driving
59:32
along and you see a red light come on oh
59:35
I'll just go to the dashboard and click
59:37
both click the levers there's snip off
59:39
the wires that make the light come on
59:41
and then everything will be fine then
59:43
you drive along for a few more hundred
59:44
miles and your engine seizes up you know
59:46
because there's no oil in it or
59:48
something you know the pain is our
59:50
body's way of telling us something is
59:52
wrong whether it's in our heart whether
59:54
it's in our mind or whether it's in our
59:56
body now I know this is kind of
59:58
controversial but right now as I
60:01
understand it pose act is for example
60:02
the most widely prescribed drug
60:05
in the world it's a big cash cow for Eli
60:08
Lilly and I don't know if any of you
60:10
know where Eli Lilly is coming from in
60:13
all this but but all the drug companies
60:16
if you trace them back most of them that
60:19
are America go back to the Rockefellers
60:22
because most drugs are made from
60:25
petrochemicals and over in Europe they
60:29
go back to an even larger conglomerate
60:31
IG Farben there's a wonderful people
60:34
that brought you the cyclone be anybody
60:36
here know what zyklon-b is the gas they
60:39
used in the concentration camps and of
60:43
course Eli Lilly is also the group
60:45
through one of their subsidiaries Sandoz
60:47
labs that brought us lsd-25 which was
60:50
used in the in the MKULTRA program and
60:53
of course is also being used by our
60:54
teenagers today and not only teenagers
60:56
also adults unfortunately I dropped a
60:59
few hits of acid myself in my before
61:02
Christian days of course back when I was
61:05
a Satanist anyhow the thing is many
61:10
people wonder why it takes them so long
61:12
to improve when they're in therapy I
61:14
believe part of it is that they are
61:16
leaving out the spiritual component but
61:18
I also believe it's that they're not
61:19
working with the body they're not
61:21
dealing with the body and with the brain
61:23
in a proper way they're they're giving
61:25
the body powerful mind-altering drugs
61:27
and neglecting the body's place in its
61:30
own healing ok we got basically several
61:35
kinds of drugs out there neuroleptics
61:37
antidepressants and then the new
61:39
antidepressants such as Prozac all these
61:43
drugs work by tampering with the brains
61:45
very delicate chemistry and that scares
61:48
me right upfront because I fear God knew
61:50
what he was doing when he was making the
61:51
brain amen I mean if you and I don't
61:54
care how much abuse you've had your
61:56
brain is remarkably resilient and it is
61:59
capable of healing itself if you allow
62:02
it to but I don't really know that it's
62:06
good patient care to be giving things
62:08
like Thorazine or Mellaril or Haldol
62:11
which are very very powerful or even the
62:14
tricyclics antidepressants or even
62:16
Prozac I personally think there
62:18
some dangers here each and every one of
62:20
these drugs are designed to powerfully
62:23
impact the brains neural chemistry the
62:26
neural we were talking earlier about
62:27
lobotomy
62:28
well neuroleptic drugs essentially
62:31
create a chemical lobotomy they
62:33
basically shut down the whole front of
62:35
the brain and they mimic essentially
62:40
disease they mimic a form of
62:43
encephalitis called lethargic
62:45
encephalitis and this leads to many
62:48
other disorders what they don't really
62:50
want to get into because it's going to
62:51
take too long I just got the 20 minute
62:53
sign so I got a hurry along here but if
62:56
you've ever been in a mental institution
62:58
and seeing what we call in our business
63:01
of Thorazine shuffle you know that's
63:04
because basically these people are in a
63:06
chemical straightjacket and how can they
63:09
ever get well on that you see what these
63:12
drugs are designed to do is basically
63:14
not help the patient but make them
63:16
easier to be around and I don't think
63:19
that's appropriate then we have the
63:20
antidepressants there's no good clinical
63:23
evidence indicate that prozac or tri
63:25
cyclic drugs work any better than
63:28
placebos and if you hear that you know
63:31
you can take a placebo which is a
63:33
meaningless sugar pill and have about 98
63:36
percent as much chance of recovering
63:37
from depression is if you take Prozac
63:39
which is by the way very expensive most
63:42
depression heals itself what we call
63:45
spontaneous formation within a few weeks
63:48
and ironically that's just about as long
63:51
as it takes Prozac to kick in but if you
63:54
start taking Prozac your doctor will
63:55
tell you it takes four to six weeks to
63:57
work so you know interesting here's the
64:02
problem with spri cyclic so let me just
64:04
briefly go through this they don't work
64:05
any better than a placebo number one
64:07
they have a dulling effect on the mind
64:10
they do aid sleep real well but it's not
64:12
healthy sleep I believe a large part of
64:15
recovery is doing working with what's
64:18
happening in your dreams because your
64:20
dreams are the way the body they might
64:22
be nightmares mind you but your dreams
64:24
are the way the body processes stress
64:27
and trauma is through the dream that's
64:30
why God gave us dreams that's why if you
64:32
people from dreaming for a few days they
64:34
start flipping out on you is because
64:36
they actually become psychotic because
64:39
they aren't allowed to dream and you get
64:41
very little good rim REM sleep on sleep
64:43
medication they can cause very severe
64:47
withdrawal symptoms these things are
64:48
highly addictive there's lots of side
64:51
effects they're very similar to the
64:52
neuroleptic drugs in this regard and
64:54
they can cause death if you only take
64:57
just a few doses at the same time now
65:00
even it's even been fond of tricyclics
65:03
can cause depression and suicide pose
65:08
that it's no more effective than any
65:11
other try any other antidepressant and I
65:14
don't mean to get too tentacle on you
65:16
here but it's called an SSRI which
65:18
stands for a specific serotonin reuptake
65:20
inhibitor how's that sound
65:24
what that means is it stops a very
65:26
important neurotransmitter from going
65:29
from one nerve cell to another so it
65:31
builds up now serotonin is the
65:34
neurotransmitter that makes us feel good
65:35
so the theory is that it builds up then
65:38
you get oh I'm happy I'm so happy but
65:41
the trouble is is that the brain is
65:44
marvelously design and if it detects
65:47
that there's too much serotonin what
65:49
does it do it stops making serotonin and
65:52
that's why you have this phenomenon of
65:55
people on Prozac going out and killing
65:58
people or you know we had one person
66:02
that I was reading about who a woman who
66:05
murdered her kid with a butcher knife
66:08
and then stabbed herself 17 times in the
66:11
body and killed herself with a carving
66:12
knife now that's a pretty bizarre form
66:15
of suicide if you ask me and there's a
66:17
long list of Burton the first infamous
66:20
postal worker that went out and shot a
66:23
whole bunch of people at his post office
66:25
was on Prozac and it's not a drug I
66:29
would really recommend the other trouble
66:32
is is that Prozac can be very addictive
66:34
it almost as if we're creating addicts
66:36
and it is very dangerous because if you
66:40
take if you get off Prozac real fast you
66:43
can become suicidal very quickly
66:45
and I want if anybody here is on any of
66:47
these drugs I would really encourage you
66:50
to talk to your doctor about a slow
66:52
weaning process don't try and get off of
66:55
them fast because it can be catastrophic
66:57
it just it's worse than getting off of
66:59
heroin what they are finding now is the
67:03
prozac makes the brain totally
67:05
unresponsive to serotonin and if
67:07
serotonin is one of the two or three
67:09
major neurotransmitters that makes you
67:10
feel good you're gonna end up in a state
67:12
of what is clinically called anhedonia
67:14
which means essentially that you don't
67:17
know nothing feels good it's like your
67:19
whole life is kind of like that totally
67:22
flat and that doesn't sound like a very
67:24
fun way to live does it okay let me come
67:27
back to the beginning verse that I
67:29
talked about well we'll bring this to a
67:31
close here but what I want to say is
67:33
very important again I believe we're not
67:36
letting the body we're not letting the
67:38
brain always do what we want to do and
67:40
my goal here is not in any way to to
67:43
make anybody feel guilty or to attack or
67:46
anything like that I hope you understand
67:48
that I just feel if if we can create the
67:50
most positive response the most positive
67:54
environment whether it's spiritually
67:56
whether it's emotionally whether it's
67:58
mentally or whether it's biological for
68:01
healing I think that each one of us will
68:04
be better off and this to me is
68:07
something that the Lord is just shown in
68:09
the last few months and I believe it is
68:11
very very critical the Bible talks
68:14
frequently about the heart and the rain
68:17
now that's that's an interesting phrase
68:19
in the King James Bible which may throw
68:21
some of you the word rains there
68:24
basically refers to our kidneys and our
68:27
livers the the area right around here it
68:31
was felt to be the source of great
68:33
strength and of course it is because if
68:35
you don't have a liver or kidney you're
68:37
dead you know it's and God knew that I
68:39
mean gee he designed the human body
68:41
imagine that that's why I think five
68:43
times in the Bible heart and reigns are
68:46
mentioned together that's because
68:48
there's an interval connection between
68:49
our emotions and our reins if you will
68:53
and now think about it rain on a horse
68:56
what are they for
68:58
you have control you make the horse go
69:02
this way you make the horse go that way
69:04
that's what reins are for you basically
69:05
have control and isn't that kind of what
69:07
our emotions do they make it I mean if
69:10
if I'm depressed if I'm sad I'm gonna go
69:13
a certain way I'm gonna act a certain
69:14
way if I'm happy and cheerful I'm going
69:16
to act another way I'm gonna go in a
69:18
different direction so it's really a
69:20
very appropriate expression the other
69:23
thing I want to bring in here and I'm
69:24
sure a lot of you know this scripture
69:26
but in 3rd John 2 he says beloved I wish
69:30
above all things that thou mayest
69:31
prosper and be in health even as thy
69:34
soul prospereth now what does that mean
69:36
that means that that God's will now that
69:40
is that we should be as healthy in our
69:42
soul and in our body as we are in our
69:44
spirit and prosper there does not
69:47
necessarily mean get rich although I've
69:49
ever seen nothing against getting rich
69:51
amen but you know it more means riches
69:54
of an emotional and spiritual nature and
69:57
so health of soul and health of body is
70:01
important to the Lord now I've yet to
70:04
meet a survivor of abuse who does not
70:07
have some sort of an issue with anger
70:09
and that's utterly understandable
70:11
unresolved anger because they've had
70:13
these horrible things done of them and
70:15
they were done by people that they
70:17
didn't have a right to get angry at I
70:19
mean you didn't have a right to be angry
70:21
with your parents because your parents
70:23
were like God I mean that's how every
70:25
little child looks at their parents they
70:27
can't think any other way that's what
70:29
their parents are there they're
70:30
omnipotent hopefully benevolent beings
70:33
but in the case of a survivor of abuse
70:35
those parents were not benevolent they
70:38
were they were totally evil but they
70:41
were still a god figure to them and
70:43
you're not allowed to get angry at God
70:45
oh no no no little kids would not even
70:47
think that way and so they stuff all
70:50
that anger in and as I said earlier the
70:54
Lord can deal with a spiritual round the
70:56
Lord we can ask the Lord to cast out
70:58
spirits from us we can we can ask the
71:00
Lord to help us heal our strongholds but
71:03
also we need to look about look at the
71:06
body and then God can heal our bodies -
71:08
amen I'm a big
71:09
verne healing I've had many miraculous
71:12
healings in my personal life but you
71:15
know on the other hand we need to do
71:16
stuff ourselves and what I'm gonna share
71:19
I hope will give you some further
71:21
insight into what you might be able to
71:22
do to facilitate the emotional healing
71:25
process how does the body actually deal
71:29
with emotions how does our body impact
71:30
emotions well what are our emotions in
71:33
terms of the body they're chemical I
71:37
mean if I get angry that's because a
71:40
certain chemical response has been
71:42
issued by my brain if I get happy it's
71:46
because the brain for example has
71:49
released endorphins if I get sad it's
71:53
because certain other chemicals I mean
71:55
every every feeling you've ever felt is
71:58
basically a few drops of powerful
72:00
neurotransmitters or adrenals and what
72:05
happens is is this is the most powerful
72:09
pharmacy on earth right up here your
72:11
brain it can produce any chemical
72:14
because that's how God made it I mean it
72:17
can produce a analgesic that's a 10,000
72:22
times more powerful in morphine it can
72:25
produce a very corrosive powerful
72:28
adrenal thing called cortisol which is
72:32
gonna enable someone to lift a car off
72:35
of a child
72:37
I mean you've all heard these stories
72:39
about you know little old granny ladies
72:41
whose kids are trapped under a tractor
72:43
and they rip the tractor off the kid and
72:46
and that's that's an adrenal surge you
72:49
know we are amazed at what PCP does to a
72:52
poor young person that takes it and they
72:53
they freak out and they rip handcuffs
72:56
off and they rip their arms out of their
72:58
sockets without even knowing they're
72:59
doing it the body has something better
73:02
than that going for it but the trouble
73:03
is we aren't accessing it properly for
73:07
full recovery I believe it's not only
73:10
important for the body to be able to
73:11
emotionally process all of these old
73:15
angers and rages and and fears but also
73:19
to be able to biologically process it
73:21
now what does that mean
73:22
well most people I have observed and
73:26
this is a generalization but a lot of
73:27
the people that we've dealt with over
73:28
the years that are survivors are not in
73:30
the best of health they usually have a
73:32
lot of other physical issues and I heard
73:34
someone mentioned they about a person
73:36
who has brain tumors and and this is not
73:39
at all uncommon and that's
73:40
understandable because sometimes if
73:43
you're if you feel beaten down you feel
73:46
like you don't even have the energy to
73:47
take care of yourself if you're
73:49
depressed you don't really feel like you
73:50
have the energy to to get up and do the
73:53
things that need to be done and all this
73:55
is perfectly understandable but but
73:57
there's some reasons behind that that I
73:59
want to try and share with you for
74:01
example most people who are survivors
74:05
spent their entire childhood living in
74:07
what is called a fight-or-flight
74:09
response the stress response it's like
74:12
I've had some people say it's like being
74:14
in a concentration camp and I don't know
74:17
if any of the survivors can relate to
74:18
that but being raised in an abusive home
74:21
is like being raised in a concentration
74:23
camp because those people in a
74:24
concentration camp never knew what was
74:26
going to happen they never knew if they
74:28
were gonna get something good or if
74:29
they're gonna get beaten up or they're
74:31
gonna get murdered and that's the way
74:33
most child abuse victims are they never
74:35
know and this produces high levels of
74:38
stress which produces high levels of the
74:40
cortisol adrenal hormone I just talked
74:43
about and the problem with that is that
74:46
cortisol if it's produced all the time
74:47
is very very destructive to the brain it
74:50
causes brain damage it causes memory
74:53
loss this is why if any of you not just
74:55
survivors but if any of you start
74:57
feeling overstressed or burnt out and
75:00
you start forgetting stuff you start
75:02
thinking you know all geez where'd I
75:04
leave my keys where I do this while I do
75:05
that you know you forget appointments
75:07
that's a sign of burnout that's a sign
75:09
of your cortisol levels are going too
75:11
high well if you're a survivor you spent
75:13
your entire childhood with your cortisol
75:15
levels through the lock now what can we
75:18
do about that
75:19
well when the brains secrete cortisol
75:22
where does it go after it's done with it
75:24
well here's what's supposed to happen
75:26
the ideal world is that is that you know
75:29
if you have if you have all this
75:31
adrenaline and stuff going through your
75:32
veins is because you want to fight or
75:34
flee
75:35
but an abuse survivor can't do either of
75:37
those they can't really fight and they
75:40
can't clean and so they just stuff the
75:43
cortisol just like they stuff the
75:44
emotions the cortisol brings with it now
75:47
where does that go
75:49
where does the body process things that
75:51
are toxic deliver exactly and what we
75:56
are seeing is that many many people have
75:58
overloaded livers and that sounds kind
76:01
of funny that sounds real prosaic and
76:03
everything like the liver you know it's
76:05
sort of a funny sounding organ but if
76:07
the liver is where we deal with all the
76:10
toxins in our body that's why it's
76:11
you're an alcoholic
76:12
the liver is one of the first organs to
76:14
be damaged is because it's trying to get
76:16
rid of all this acetyl aldehyde and it
76:18
ain't going anywhere and we used to end
76:20
up with this fired liver and what
76:22
happens then is that if you're not
76:25
eating right which many people that are
76:27
in the midst of depression don't eat
76:29
right and I apologize that some of this
76:32
is gonna sound a little weird but they
76:34
aren't eliminating right they aren't
76:37
getting enough fiber they aren't getting
76:39
enough roughage whatever words you want
76:41
to use I mean I have one or two clients
76:43
that they're proud of they have if they
76:45
have a bowel movement once a week and if
76:48
you do that that backs up the colon
76:51
which is both to me then the colon is
76:53
like the sewer of the body it's where
76:54
the body puts all the toxins that makes
76:57
the liver toxic and what we are finding
77:01
is very very helpful is if you can if
77:03
you can help the colon with herbs and
77:07
things like that natural not I not say
77:09
me I'll go home and take five pounds of
77:11
X flax or something please do not do
77:13
that you know even natural things that
77:16
God has given us now you know I'm not
77:18
I'm not saying we need to start going to
77:20
witch doctors but I am saying we needed
77:22
we need to look at some of the herbs
77:24
that God has given us and to use those
77:27
herbs to help get things moving this
77:30
sounds terribly prosaic I know and
77:32
terribly employed but if you aren't
77:35
having three to five bowel movements a
77:38
day your body is not working the way
77:40
it's supposed to be working and you want
77:43
to do that and then you want to clean
77:44
out your liver and your bloodstream and
77:47
you would be amazed
77:48
and your body has something to do with
77:50
this emotion because once the liver is
77:53
clear it can deal with some of this old
77:56
emotion you still got to work on it
77:57
emotionally too but if you can get the
78:00
chemicals out just like getting the evil
78:03
spirits out if you will you're removing
78:05
the whole power base the whole
78:06
foundation and that's really all there
78:09
is to it you can have a lot of relief
78:12
from some of this enormous pressure
78:14
because I know some people that we work
78:15
where they just say I feel like I'm
78:17
gonna explode there's so much emotion
78:18
inside of me that I can't give myself
78:20
permission to let it out
78:22
well some this is a way to get a lot of
78:26
it out believe it or not it really does
78:28
work I also drink lots of water try to
78:32
get at least eight glasses of water try
78:34
to stay off the caffeine and I want to
78:38
end with this thought if you are taking
78:41
any kind of powerful psychotropic drugs
78:43
you know whatever type we've been
78:45
referring to today don't just drop them
78:49
take them slow and and consult with a
78:52
health care practitioner about it
78:54
because it can be very dangerous to just
78:56
get off them but I personally and I'm
78:58
not a doctor but from our experience
79:00
both of working with people and and my
79:03
own personal experience is that it's a
79:05
whole lot healthier if you're not on
79:06
these things because it gives you the
79:08
chance to feel your own emotions again
79:10
the bottom line is however and I want to
79:13
end like this the Jesus can heal Jesus
79:16
can save and Jesus can deliver you but
79:20
jesus also designed our human body that
79:22
works supremely well if only we let it
79:24
if we can get emotionally well so much
79:27
fast and I believe we can by treating an
79:30
optimal environment in our hearts and
79:31
reigns for our body to process our
79:34
emotions then we can do it so I
79:38
appreciate your time I don't have
79:39
anybody has any questions I think we got
79:41
a minute or two yes ma'am
80:00
what helped me to get out of all this
80:06
not really at the time no no but one
80:10
lady prayed for me she saw a cheque from
80:13
the Church of Satan that I had written
80:14
and she was a bank officer she were on a
80:16
cheque I'll be praying for you in Jesus
80:18
name
80:18
one lady prayed for me that is the power
80:21
of prayer ladies and gentlemen amen
80:24
yes
80:30
you make it sound easy you make it sound
80:33
quick and now I'm a pastor and so
80:37
from a Christian perspective of petrol
80:39
perspective because they we've been
80:41
accused of it we try to make it
80:44
and it's more complicated and I guess my
80:47
question is I I tend to agree with you
80:49
it but this I don't know things go bad
80:51
but the question it would that first
80:56
place how did you get out of just so
80:57
easily
81:02
our ethics aside 10 years and a lot of
81:06
them are on the drug and my Karen
81:08
especially who takes the Chinese
81:10
antidepressant
81:12
make the process lower and you think see
81:16
what I'm hearing is when I hear that you
81:21
don't want to do it too quickly so so
81:23
it'll be more than
81:25
like you say let them handle
81:29
well that's a lot of a question to
81:31
repeat but I think the bottom line is is
81:34
your hearing when you say that this
81:36
could be a quick process and yes it can
81:38
be it doesn't have to be but it
81:41
certainly can be and I'm not saying that
81:43
the people that are doing it slower or
81:45
wrong but I am saying that probably
81:47
seven eight to nine tenths of the people
81:49
that we minister to are helped in less
81:53
than a week and it does not have to be a
81:55
long drawn-out thing and yes I do
81:58
believe that any kind of psychotropic
82:00
medication just attenuates the process
82:03
and makes it longer it makes it a little
82:05
more rough that isn't to say there isn't
82:08
a lot of emotional work that needs to be
82:10
done sure but that's that's not a realm
82:13
that is specific to what we normally do
82:17
so I guess I got to stop but I'll be
82:20
happy to talk to anybody
82:22
thank you very much god bless you
83:08
you
83:15
you