since I entered politics I have chiefly
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had men's views confided to me privately
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and some of the biggest men in the
00:08
United States in the fields of Commerce
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and manufacture afraid of somebody are
00:13
afraid of something they know that there
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is a power somewhere so organized so
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subtle so watchful so interlocked so
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complete so pervasive that they'd better
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not speak above their breath when they
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speak in condemnation of it and that
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quote comes from Woodrow Wilson welcome
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to surviving the matrix ladies and
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gentlemen my name is Maxwell Egan it's a
00:39
pleasure to be with you once again and
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I'll be your host for the next hour now
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on some of my recent radio broadcasts
00:47
you may have heard me refer to the work
00:48
of John lash John lash is a comparative
00:52
mythologist and I've been kind of called
00:54
to his workers late really due to a
00:57
series of synchronistic events that just
00:59
kind of led me to it and what interests
01:02
me most about John's work is a book he
01:06
wrote entitled not in his image in which
01:09
he brings us his interpretation of a
01:12
collection of ancient Gnostic texts
01:14
known as the NAG Hammadi library now the
01:19
Gnostic information is important to
01:21
consider for two reasons one in that it
01:24
provides for us an insight into a mythos
01:27
that existed well before any type of
01:30
religious belief systems had been
01:31
introduced into the human psyche and
01:33
it's important to understand this folks
01:35
there are many people who are attempting
01:38
to portray Gnosticism as being some type
01:42
of religion but this is really not true
01:44
folks
01:45
Gnosticism was more of a way of life it
01:47
was more of an understanding of reality
01:49
than a religion and there seems to be a
01:51
very very concerted effort of light to
01:55
portray it as a religion so it's
01:58
important to realize how this
02:00
smokescreen is being set up and the
02:02
second reason it's important is because
02:05
if the Gnostic vision is true then the
02:08
true message for Humanity that is
02:11
contained within the know Khomeini
02:12
library
02:13
may well be one of vital importance now
02:17
I believe it was in 2006 that John
02:21
released a book I previously mentioned
02:22
entitled not in his image in which he
02:24
presents for us his interpretation of
02:27
the no money library
02:28
I believe John's interpretation of these
02:31
texts is significant for many reasons
02:33
not the least of which is because John
02:36
lash is himself a gnostic and it would
02:38
seem logical to assume that the works
02:41
should be interpreted from a Gnostic
02:43
perspective and it is by applying such a
02:46
perspective to the message that's
02:48
contained within the text that John alas
02:51
has been able to reveal a deeper story
02:53
that has been told and this has really
02:56
no mean feat folks being that most of
02:59
the night money library was translated
03:00
from Scrolls that were not only very
03:03
badly damaged but which were written in
03:05
Coptic no less and on top of that they
03:08
were translated by devout Christians and
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I could probably dedicate almost entire
03:13
shows discussing the inherent problems
03:15
with that fact alone but suffice to say
03:18
to the finish result of the translation
03:20
being that the true mythos contained
03:23
within the text is virtually buried in
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allegory and in biblical interpretations
03:29
of themes and the result in all these
03:32
folks is of what you get if you go and
03:33
buy the night how many library is a book
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that is virtually incomprehensible it's
03:38
unfortunate but it is virtually
03:40
incomprehensible you catch little
03:42
glimpses of things here and there but
03:44
it's very very difficult to make out
03:46
what's actually being told to you but
03:48
fortunately that is what John lash has
03:51
done for us with the interpretation that
03:54
he gave us in his book not in his image
03:57
and look like could go on forever about
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this as I'm sure you know but I'm
04:02
fortunate enough to actually have
04:03
recorded an interview with John earlier
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in a week I did want to run the whole
04:08
show through just as a normal show but
04:11
there were a few problems would be
04:13
connection during the day and so I've
04:15
had to edit most of my questions in
04:17
because this was where most dropouts
04:19
were and there were also a couple while
04:22
John was talking but I think I've
04:24
managed to add it all back together folk
04:25
so we have a were
04:26
interview and I will now switch to the
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pre-recorded conversation with John lash
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it's my honor and great pleasure to
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welcome John lash to the show you with
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us John yes I'm here max thank you very
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much now this really is a huge topic and
04:42
there are so many things we could cover
04:44
here but like seeing as there is already
04:46
a substantial amount of talks and
04:48
interviews you've done that are widely
04:50
available on the Internet and you've
04:52
given quite detailed accounts of the
04:54
Gnostic vision so I think either rather
04:56
than rehash information that's already
04:58
out there what I'd like to do with the
04:59
show today is perhaps move forward a
05:01
little bit because there's there's quite
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a lot of talk on the internet these days
05:05
with people using the term Archon
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they're using it in the the mind
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predator context and given that as I
05:13
said much of the information presented
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to us in the Nagamani library is
05:16
incomprehensible in its raw form I would
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suggest that most of the understanding
05:20
that people have of the archons really
05:22
does come from your work so how did this
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come about how did you be the one to
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come to introduce the term Archon into
05:30
the current discourse and and how do you
05:32
feel what is your concern about how the
05:34
term is being used these days well thank
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you for those questions max I agree with
05:42
you I don't like to rehash things I
05:43
don't like to repeat myself although
05:46
sometimes repetition is necessary as you
05:49
know
05:49
I think it's more important considering
05:54
the late moment in the battle for human
05:57
sanity that we're now facing to cut
05:59
right to those essential and crucial
06:03
pieces of Intel which can really make a
06:06
difference and the Archon theme and the
06:10
Archon profile from Gnosticism is one of
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those elements of what I'm going to call
06:16
gnostic Intel so it's an excellent place
06:19
to start before I talk about how I got
06:23
onto the Archon aspect of Gnostic
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teachings I would like to make two brief
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statements which resonate with your
06:32
introduction for those who have not
06:35
heard about me or about Gnosticism
06:37
before now and even those who have
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these are two essential statements the
06:43
first one is that the Gnostic vision of
06:46
life is not an alternative religion it
06:50
is an alternative to all religions
06:54
that's a really important point and the
06:59
second point that I like to make is and
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I ask those listening especially for the
07:05
first time to really let this sink into
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their minds the Gnostic materials that
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survive in now Hammadi are pathetic and
07:15
fragmentary and other exner Hammadi non
07:19
naga hamadi materials are also very
07:21
meager the historical truth is that the
07:27
Gnostic message to mankind is the most
07:31
suppressed message that has ever existed
07:33
on this planet so I just like you to
07:37
think about that that there is something
07:39
in the NAG Hammadi teachings that has
07:42
somebody doesn't want humanity to know
07:45
about and they have taken brutal
07:48
measures through centuries to see that
07:51
this message has been eradicated now
07:56
fortunately for us in December of 1945
08:00
some fragmentary documents written in
08:03
Coptic were discovered in a cave in
08:05
Egypt and they were reconstructed edited
08:10
translated and they first appeared
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around
08:12
I think 1976 in English in the so called
08:16
naga hamadi library in English and I was
08:22
at that time living in Santa Fe New
08:24
Mexico I've always studied mystical and
08:27
esoteric subjects through my life and I
08:30
have practiced certain forms of
08:31
experimental mysticism with and without
08:34
the use of psychoactive plants which
08:38
must be distinguished from drugs and so
08:42
I had a certain amount of interest in
08:46
finding out what was in these rare
08:48
caustic materials and up until that time
08:51
around the middle of the 70s
08:55
I didn't know that much about what the
08:58
content and the message of Gnosticism
09:00
was no one did because as I said uh
09:03
there was a centuries-long campaign to
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destroy that message while I was
09:09
terribly intrigued I bought the NAG
09:11
Hammadi library in English when it first
09:13
came out and I couldn't make heads or
09:15
tails of it and I can tell you today
09:18
that anyone reading and OH buying it
09:20
today he's gonna haha is going to face
09:23
it Anna rific problem I mean you see you
09:25
stated that and how true is that well it
09:27
is it is hard very difficult to ruin
09:29
isn't it it's it's at all just rich that
09:32
just it is appreciate it you find out
09:35
bits in there there's little bits of
09:37
stuff in there that I was saying and
09:38
what you've done is is bring it all
09:40
together and it's that's for admire you
09:42
work so much so please go on well it's
09:45
true that I am the sole scholar of
09:47
narcissism who stands out for two
09:50
reasons one is that I am NOT of the
09:53
judeo-christian tradition most of the
09:56
scholars who have translated and
09:58
interpreted the Gnostic materials are
10:01
are historians of religion you know or
10:05
if they're experts in the Coptic
10:08
language their background is going to be
10:10
in the judeo-christian tradition Elaine
10:14
Pagels a professor from Princeton
10:16
University who brought the Gnostic
10:19
writings into the mainstream with her
10:22
book the Gnostic Gospels is a Christian
10:26
and only accepts a Christian slant of
10:31
Gnosticism in fact her book the Gnostic
10:34
Gospels is very misleading in its title
10:38
because it implies that the Gnostic
10:40
materials from another body were sort of
10:42
like you know Lost Gospels right they
10:45
were maybe uneducated versions are like
10:50
of the New Testament that ought to have
10:53
been included maybe in the New Testament
10:54
but they were cut out for some reason
10:57
well that is completely misleading the
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Gnostic writings Gnostic philosophy
11:03
cosmology parapsychology the Gnostics
11:08
area of ethics and the Gnostic profile
11:12
of the archons which were coming to in a
11:14
moment are all entirely unique and
11:17
outside the realm of Christian theology
11:21
and Christian judeo-christian beliefs
11:25
and so I am the only scholar who is a
11:30
Gnostic who is has attempted to tell the
11:34
world what the Gnostics wanted to say is
11:37
they and secondly I am the only scholar
11:40
who has restored in its entirety the
11:44
myth of the divine Sophia who was a
11:50
goddess if you will in the Gnostic view
11:53
of the world and in their mythology
11:55
which was not a mythology in the sense
11:58
of of lies but it was an ethology in the
12:02
sense of a grand scenario of imagination
12:06
that carries a transcendent truth about
12:11
humanity about our origin and about the
12:13
origin of the earth itself the single
12:16
most important factor in the NAG Hammadi
12:19
writings is the narrative of the goddess
12:25
Sophia and I call that for reasons those
12:29
who become obvious the fallen goddess
12:31
scenario so I restored that it wasn't
12:34
easy it was very difficult to do because
12:36
of the fragmentary nature of the
12:39
materials like I was saying you can
12:41
catch little glimpses of it but what
12:43
you've done is restored the the myth and
12:45
I think it's very important for anybody
12:47
who is looking to the concept of the
12:49
archons that they need to have an
12:50
understanding of this myth and really it
12:52
was this myth was what attracted me to
12:54
your work because there's just something
12:57
about this story but please go on there
13:01
is indeed like something about this
13:03
story and I can't tell you when people
13:06
write me at my website or write me on my
13:09
email who have encountered not in His
13:12
image and who have read this story they
13:15
all say the same thing and I find that
13:17
very encouraging that everyone says the
13:19
same thing they all say
13:21
this is it this is what I've been
13:23
looking for there's something about this
13:26
story this narrative of the goddess
13:28
Sophia that really clicks totally for me
13:34
and what can I say about that story well
13:38
first of all go read it just go read the
13:42
story you can read it on meta history
13:44
org if you click on the homepage of the
13:48
website and you go to clicking fallen
13:51
goddess scenario and it will come up
13:53
what I did was I took the gnostic
13:55
materials
13:56
I was very rigorously faithful to the
13:59
textual materials that survived and I
14:02
reconstructed the total story or
14:05
narrative in nine episodes so the first
14:09
thing that anyone should do if there are
14:11
even remotely interested in Gnosticism
14:13
it's to just go read the story it's a
14:16
it's a like any other story that you
14:19
might read and see how it affects you
14:22
now when I was reconstructing that story
14:28
and delving into the Gnostic materials
14:31
during the 90s leading up to writing my
14:34
book around 2005 or 2006 I became aware
14:39
that of what the story actually was
14:45
first of all I became aware over a
14:49
period of time that there is no
14:52
comparable myth to this anywhere in the
14:57
material of any culture on the planet
15:00
now bear in mind here you would
15:03
understand this max but some people
15:05
might be a little bit thrown off when I
15:07
use the word myth you're hearing a
15:10
mythologist use that word and I realized
15:13
that a myth in conventional discourse
15:17
can be more or less equated with a lie
15:20
you know for instance like the myth of
15:23
you know male menopause or something
15:27
like that you know
15:28
so yeah in conventional language the
15:31
myth is a lie but in the language of a
15:33
comparative mythology like
15:35
myself a myth is not a lie in fact the
15:39
original word mythos in Greek simply
15:42
meant a story a narrative so it exactly
15:46
yeah exactly
15:47
it's a lot easier to preserve a story in
15:50
the form of a myth because it creates a
15:52
colorful story you can tell around the
15:53
campfire and this is traditionally the
15:56
way history was handed down that's right
15:59
in oral form in myths and I would I
16:00
would advise listeners to consider that
16:04
the Darwinian theory of evolution is
16:07
just a myth you know but it's a
16:09
scientific man and the fact that it may
16:13
or may not have evidence to support it
16:15
doesn't make it any less a myth so a
16:18
myth as I'm using the word is just a is
16:20
a long and powerful narrative with a
16:24
plot that that expresses in a in a in a
16:29
poetic or metaphorical manner certain
16:33
things which are actually true now one
16:37
thing to know and this is important in
16:39
understanding where the archons come in
16:41
to the picture is that the Sofia myth of
16:44
the Gnostics is astronomical what I mean
16:50
by that is that it is a story a
16:55
consistent plot that describes events
16:59
that happened in the solar system and in
17:03
our galaxy in this particular galaxy
17:05
that we inhabit it is an astronomical
17:09
myth and it describes and explains if
17:13
you will the origin of the human species
17:17
it explains the origin of the earth and
17:22
it explains the presence in human
17:26
reality and in our life here on earth
17:29
the presence of a predatory mind
17:32
parasite called the Archon now I can
17:38
remember back in 1999 when I was talking
17:46
with someone in the United States this
17:48
was about two
17:49
years before meta history or going
17:51
online and I was actually talking with
17:54
this individual about setting up a
17:56
website they requested me a certain
17:59
foundation I was associated with
18:00
requested me to set up a website and
18:03
they were very interested in the Gnostic
18:05
materials and they said well if you set
18:08
up a website and you use it as a
18:09
teaching platform to present Gnosticism
18:13
and the Sofie anak Vision story as I now
18:17
call it are you going to tell about the
18:19
archons and I said you bet I will
18:22
if I don't tell about them and so I do
18:24
think that I was the one who introduced
18:28
this term Archon into the discourse on
18:31
the Internet and the first time that it
18:34
would have appeared from my from my
18:38
writing from my pen as it were would
18:41
have been soon after meta history org
18:44
went online and that would have been in
18:47
June of 2002 so we're looking at just
18:52
over ten years now and what I have seen
18:55
in those 10 years is been hugely
18:59
escalating use of this term Archon now
19:05
let me explain to listeners my concern
19:08
about how this term is being used today
19:11
the term Archon found in the Gnostic
19:15
writings is it from a Greek word even
19:18
though the null commodity writings are
19:20
in Coptic about one in every four or
19:22
five words are in Greek and they are
19:24
said to derive from Greek originals so
19:27
the word icon is a Greek word and what
19:29
it literally meant back in the days of
19:31
of Alexander the Great and the Roman
19:34
Empire it literally meant governor so
19:37
the Archon of a certain province of Rome
19:40
where the governor of a certain province
19:42
of Rome was simply called the Archon and
19:44
the Gnostics understood it as to mean a
19:48
ruler or authority so in a general sense
19:52
an Archon is an authority who tells you
19:55
what to do but in a more specific sense
19:59
the Gnostics who wrote the NAG Hammadi
20:02
and materia
20:03
who left it to us anyway had a cosmic
20:07
view of what an Archon is and that was
20:11
the specific profile of the Archon as an
20:17
extraterrestrial predatory mind parasite
20:20
and the reason why they call these
20:24
extraterrestrial predatory parasites
20:27
archons was because the name derives
20:30
from the Greek word rke which means
20:34
before or from the beginning and the
20:41
narrative the cosmological narrative of
20:44
Gnosticism which is the story of the
20:46
goddess sophia describes an event that
20:50
happened in this galaxy of hours before
20:54
the earth was formed this is a really
20:57
important point that's why the archons
21:00
are called archons because they would
21:02
here in this solar system before the
21:06
earth was formed in this solar system
21:10
now the ark the gnostic cosmology gives
21:14
quite a detailed picture of the
21:17
evolution of our solar system when you
21:19
agree or does it like I said before it's
21:22
very important that people when when
21:24
even looking into the information about
21:26
the archons that they look at it in
21:28
relation to the narrative of the myth
21:30
because if that I look at it within the
21:32
framework of the myth well they're not
21:34
really getting the whole story and a lot
21:36
of people are using the term these days
21:37
and I don't seem to be talking about the
21:40
the sofa ionic myth that should be
21:41
bringing well this is precisely what
21:43
troubles me this is precisely what
21:45
troubles me and it's beginning to
21:46
trouble me even more as a matter of fact
21:49
one of the reasons why I agreed to have
21:50
this interview with you and I haven't
21:52
been doing many interviews lately was
21:54
that I can state my case on this because
21:58
I think that people out there who are
22:00
picking up on the idea of the Archon are
22:03
getting a valuable piece of Intel that
22:05
could change their way of seeing the
22:08
world and could be very empowering
22:10
toward for anyone who wants to make a
22:14
better world and overcome the
22:16
psychopathy
22:17
and the control freaks who are running
22:20
our world but in order for this term
22:23
Makhan to be helpful you have to keep it
22:26
in context and how can you do that let
22:29
me just say quickly two points first
22:32
point is to understand that the Gnostics
22:37
considered the archons to be a primary
22:40
problem of humanity the Gnostics were
22:42
seers and shamans who could look into
22:45
other dimensions and they could explore
22:49
the solar system and the galaxy through
22:53
their psychic powers they were very very
22:55
skilled shamans and trained in
22:58
parapsychology no etics and the
23:01
detection of alien forces and they left
23:04
a warning for humanity but humanity
23:07
didn't get that warning until a little
23:09
while ago because somebody didn't want
23:11
humanity to get the warning the warning
23:15
was that there exists in the solar
23:18
system this horde of predatory ETS who
23:25
exist who are appear in two types
23:28
primarily one is a neonate type that
23:32
appears to be a prematurely born fetus
23:35
that is to say with a spindly body big
23:39
head bug eyes you know that would
23:42
correspond to the classical gray tee and
23:45
the other type of are calm which is the
23:47
overlord of the gray ET archons is the
23:52
reptilian type of our cone and so the
23:56
Gnostic seers identified these two types
24:00
of predatory ETS a long long time ago
24:05
but what is really amazing is that they
24:09
place them in a scenario and and what
24:13
bothers me today as you just said is
24:16
that people are throwing around this
24:18
term Archon ten years after I introduced
24:20
it and they're using it loosely and they
24:23
are not referencing it to the source and
24:26
if you don't reference it to the source
24:28
you can't use it correctly
24:31
so what is the source well the Gnostics
24:35
taught us and you can find this in the
24:37
Naga modeling materials if you dig
24:39
around enough they taught us that the
24:44
archons do not come from an advanced
24:47
civilization elsewhere in the galaxy
24:49
they are not superior to humanity in
24:52
fact they are inferior to humanity and
24:55
they envy us and they want to be like us
24:58
and they want us to become like them
25:01
but they live in the solar system at
25:04
large they are the inhabitants of the
25:08
solar system and they have in a certain
25:10
effect in a certain respects created the
25:13
solar system apart from the earth Sun
25:18
and Moon so gnostic cosmology was very
25:22
specific in stating that these beings
25:25
are inhabitants of our solar system but
25:28
they cannot inhabit the earth the earth
25:31
is not a part of the solar system
25:34
strictly speaking in Gnostic cosmology
25:37
it is a living planet captured in a
25:40
nonliving or inorganic system and the
25:43
archons are inorganic beings so that's
25:46
the first piece of the scenario that you
25:49
need to put together you know that would
25:51
explain as well why the the specific
25:53
celestial mechanics of this solar system
25:56
exist is the way they do but I think
25:57
we've reached break time here John so I
25:59
have to go have a break now and it will
26:02
come back in a few minutes we're here
26:03
speaking with John last folks thanks for
26:05
listening and we'll be back in a few
26:07
minutes so welcome back ladies and
26:11
gentlemen we're here talking with John
26:13
lash and we're discussing the know
26:15
Khomeini library and the concept of the
26:17
archons and we were talking about the
26:20
creation of the solar system just before
26:21
the break and John was explaining how
26:24
the archons created this solar system
26:26
according to the Gnostic writings and I
26:29
was saying that this explains the
26:30
particular celestial mechanics of this
26:33
solar system because we have a very
26:34
mathematically perfect solar system
26:37
folks it's not like solar systems that
26:39
you see and this is the only one seems
26:41
to be like this there's also a very very
26:43
large space
26:44
around their particular solar system as
26:47
well like there was some sort of an
26:49
event that happened here it's a very
26:51
very like we're in the outer rim of the
26:53
galaxy for sure but just where our our
26:56
Sun is there's a particular empty space
26:58
around here so it's very interesting
27:00
when you look at this in the relation to
27:04
the Gnostic writings because there's a
27:05
lot of stuff to confirm what the
27:06
Gnostics are saying isn't it
27:08
there is indeed in fact I can assure you
27:12
that only for myself but others who then
27:15
who have followed the total narrative
27:19
that I restored and investigated again
27:21
and checked it out since my book came
27:24
out I can assure you that for us we're
27:27
finding are quite remarkable and ongoing
27:30
confirmations in science and astronomy
27:32
that would indicate that the Gnostic
27:35
cosmology of the goddess Sofia is
27:38
correct if you want to just put it in a
27:42
sand bike I'll tell you what the
27:45
Gnostics told us about the creation of
27:47
the solar system they told us that the
27:51
solar system which we inhabit which is
27:54
on the outer edge of the third limb of a
27:57
four or five limbed spiral arm galaxy
28:00
was produced by a surge or flare or
28:06
massive plume of energy from the
28:09
galactic core this is what they say and
28:13
I have found that the recent discoveries
28:18
of astronomy seem to confirm this and of
28:21
course we can't go into all the details
28:23
on on that right now but I just asked
28:25
listeners to leave their minds open to
28:28
the fact that the Gnostic myth so-called
28:32
is astronomically correct and can be
28:35
affirmed and I've written a lot about
28:37
that in not in His image but let's cut
28:39
to the really important factor here and
28:41
also thank you for your question because
28:44
I have the opportunity to say for the
28:46
first time why I am increasingly
28:49
troubled by the way people use the word
28:52
Archon
28:54
you see it's a very powerful piece of
28:57
Intel
28:58
and if you don't use it correctly it's
29:01
not going to help you and it may even
29:04
mislead you the main thing that people
29:07
do is that they pick up the term they
29:10
get that it's a psychic parasite of some
29:13
kind somehow related to the reptilian
29:15
and the gray ETS and then they just go
29:18
on and say whatever they like about it
29:20
they just use the term from a specific
29:24
Gnostic context in any way they like but
29:29
they don't refer to the context from
29:32
which it comes now the most glaring
29:35
example of that is that the Gnostic
29:40
cosmological story of the Divine Sophia
29:44
tells us how the archons originated it
29:49
tells us their origin but people who use
29:52
that word today never refer to that that
29:57
is really troublesome
29:59
because it means that they're taking a
30:02
piece of Intel out of a scenario and
30:05
using it in a reckless way so the
30:09
question then is well how do the archons
30:12
originate how did these mind parasites
30:16
come about and the answer to that
30:19
according to the Gnostic says that they
30:22
came about due to an accident due to
30:25
something that was not intended and not
30:28
foreseen and that accident is one of the
30:34
episodes in this nine episode
30:37
scenario of the goddess of fire which
30:40
I've reconstructed it's a story of
30:44
things that happened among the gods now
30:47
according to the Gnostic cosmology the
30:50
gods which they call Aeons AE ons they
30:55
are powerful forces that are beyond any
31:00
kind of human or animal form but they
31:02
are alive and aware and these gods are
31:05
Aeons inhabit the core or hub of our
31:09
galaxy and the whole picture of this I'm
31:12
not
31:12
and vending any of this by the way this
31:14
is all found in bits and pieces in the
31:17
Gnostic writings so the Aeons or the
31:20
creative or divine gods of the universe
31:24
live at the center of our galaxy and
31:27
what they do is that they create and
31:31
observe different experiments for them a
31:35
planetary system is a laboratory setting
31:38
and so what they do is they set up
31:42
experiments from the galactic core which
31:46
is kind of like an observation booth
31:48
where they're operating from and they
31:52
project these experiments out into the
31:55
Galactic arms into the limbs of the
31:58
galaxy so the limbs of our galaxy which
32:01
consists of some I think two to three
32:05
hundred billion stars contain untold
32:09
numbers of experiments which have been
32:12
seeded
32:13
in that realm by these ionic gods this
32:18
is the fantastic perspective of the
32:21
Gnostic myth and what they say is that
32:25
there is there are particular and
32:28
strange conditions that pertain to the
32:31
experiment that we we are in first of
32:34
all humanity which they call the
32:36
anthropos is a genomic plasm according
32:44
to the Gnostic teachings the genomic
32:47
plasm means that it's a it's a plasm a
32:52
cytoplasm or protoplasmic substance
32:56
consisting mainly of nucleic acid that
33:00
has been created in the galactic center
33:03
so if you're a human being and you're
33:05
wondering where humans come from and
33:07
you'd like to know what the Gnostics
33:09
said the answer is simple they said that
33:12
we were dreamed up as an experiment by
33:14
these ionic gods in the center of this
33:17
galaxy the next thing that they
33:21
explained is that there were two
33:24
particular Aeons who were
33:26
involved in designing the human genome
33:28
these are as it were our parents and
33:31
they are called Sophia and Fela K and
33:35
they are male and female eons because
33:38
the gods also have gender so they
33:41
created a certain type of humanity and
33:45
then they sent that plasm out into the
33:50
Galactic limbs by a process which
33:53
science recognizes which is called
33:54
directed panspermia so that that plasm
33:59
could seed itself in different worlds
34:01
that were arising in the Galactic limbs
34:04
and in that way these laboratory
34:07
experiments could unfold there's one
34:09
thing you need to know about the Gnostic
34:10
eons their gods but they're not
34:13
omnipotent they don't know everything
34:15
they don't control everything and they
34:17
don't have a plan with the beginning and
34:21
middle and an end they perform great
34:24
experiments that's the important thing
34:27
to know about this as well as that it's
34:29
an experiment and that it's an
34:30
open-ended myth I mean that's right part
34:33
of it right now that's one of the
34:35
beautiful things about this story is
34:37
that it does encompass the whole thing
34:40
the whole spectrum like the sides of
34:42
galactic style myth something before we
34:44
go on this is something else we just
34:46
skip before I want to get back to when
34:48
you mention about archons manifesting on
34:52
earth people talking about archons and
34:54
ETS coming to archons living on the
34:56
planet you mentioned before that archons
34:58
can't live on the earth what works but
35:02
for instance recently in the Sandy Hook
35:04
shootings and stuff when these people
35:06
say oh it was probably a nest of archons
35:08
and in San Diego I've heard all sorts of
35:11
strange things like this what's your
35:13
opinion about that's a little tool well
35:16
I thought about that a great deal
35:17
and again I'm concerned that people use
35:20
the word Archon who aren't well versed
35:22
in Gnostic materials you know they don't
35:24
know the Sofia myth they don't know
35:26
about what I've just was talking about
35:28
they don't agree that humanity was
35:32
created in the galactic center but this
35:34
is what the MIS tells us and of course
35:36
they're speculating wildly about how
35:38
these archons
35:39
affect us you know and are they taking
35:43
human form and so forth I don't have an
35:46
absolute and definitive answer to that I
35:48
can only give you the best answer my
35:52
best answer at this moment after long
35:56
and careful consideration of the
35:58
question I pay attention to what the
36:01
Gnostics said because if they were able
36:03
to produce this incredible Intel about
36:07
the divine experiment happening on this
36:09
planet then I'm trust that they knew
36:13
what they were talking about they
36:15
claimed that the archons could appear to
36:19
have human form or could or could trick
36:22
us into thinking that they do because
36:26
the main technology of the archons is
36:28
something called in Coptic Hal H al and
36:32
that word means simulation the archons
36:37
who actually live in the external part
36:41
of the solar system not in the earth or
36:44
not on the earth nevertheless have a
36:46
technology of virtual reality and
36:49
simulation whit by which they can
36:52
persuade human beings and trick human
36:55
beings into many many things and one of
37:00
the most I think are helpful aspects of
37:05
the Gnostic profile of the archons is
37:08
this business about simulation because
37:10
if you look at the world today you'll
37:13
see how humanity is completely caught up
37:15
in devices of simulation oh absolutely
37:20
metallic what we do everything we're
37:22
doing is a mirror image of touch spoken
37:25
about this so much on recent shows how
37:27
everything we create is like a mirror
37:30
image of reality so with the revert Amy
37:33
you know this is almost like the our
37:35
contact mind and when you leave the
37:37
Archon in mind it is it's not our mind
37:39
because the human animal the anthropos
37:43
was not designed to live in simulation
37:45
the the anthropos was designed to live
37:49
in the terrestrial paradise of this
37:52
planet
37:53
laboratory setting of this experiment is
37:56
the planet Earth and all of the
37:58
creatures living in the planet are part
38:00
of Sophia's experiment they're part of
38:03
the goddess's experiment by humanity has
38:07
an exceptional part it doesn't have a
38:11
superior part it has an exceptional part
38:13
because we are gifted with intelligence
38:16
that is similar to the intelligence of
38:18
the Aeons themselves which is called
38:21
news so we are gifted according to the
38:24
Gnostics with a dream of divine
38:26
intelligence but the key is how do we
38:29
use that intelligence if the experiment
38:33
on this planet were operating properly
38:35
and hadn't been deviated by the archons
38:39
which they can do without invading the
38:41
planet they do it through the mind and
38:44
through telepathy and through devices of
38:47
deceit and persuasion but if the
38:50
experiment we're living in now had not
38:52
been deviated by them then we the answer
38:56
pokes humanity would be using our
38:59
intelligence to live in harmony with the
39:02
natural world which is a paradise this
39:06
planet is a natural paradise but we
39:10
don't live like we're in paradise do we
39:12
we learn I like we're in a shopping mall
39:14
right it's ridiculous and like this is
39:18
the important thing as well like people
39:19
that are talking about the archons and
39:21
not looking at it within the context of
39:23
the myth I think it's important if
39:25
people have read the know Kimani library
39:27
like I said it's very very difficult to
39:29
find the story it's even very difficult
39:32
to glean any real information about the
39:34
archons I mean you get it all in
39:36
allegory presented to you by people
39:39
who've given it a Christian slant so
39:41
it's almost important to know what tax
39:43
is being said so people that are
39:46
bringing this information to the world
39:48
at the moment and looking at the archons
39:50
in the context of mind parasite I
39:52
believe can only really be doing so
39:54
because they've read your book so my
39:56
question is why aren't they putting it
39:58
within the context of the myth because
40:00
looking at the archons from just the
40:02
perspective of the archons of this mind
40:03
parasite can be very very disempowering
40:06
for people
40:06
max that's it you put your finger on it
40:09
and I ask the person who has introduced
40:11
not only the determining archons and the
40:15
Gnostic profile but who has who has
40:17
restored the story consider it to be
40:20
tragic that people today would be
40:23
talking about the archons such as my
40:26
colleague Jay Wagner is very well known
40:28
person on the internet but not citing
40:33
the entire story about these archons
40:36
because the story of the divine Sofia
40:39
the anthropos generated from the
40:41
galactic center what were the original
40:44
designs and purposes of this experiment
40:46
and what is the role of humanity in this
40:51
experiment to make it succeed all of
40:54
that leads to solution the archons are a
40:58
problem and they're a very big problem
41:00
and I've talked a great deal about this
41:02
and as far as the answer to this
41:04
question do archons turn into human
41:07
beings no it's worse than that
41:10
human beings turn into them yeah that's
41:13
a very very good way of putting it
41:15
actually John that's a very very good
41:16
way of putting it because it's a mind
41:19
parasite and I would suggest that this
41:21
is what psychopaths are it's almost like
41:24
it's a it's a mind that is totally
41:26
controlled by the Archon mind and the
41:29
interesting thing as well is the
41:31
synchronicity that's led me to this work
41:33
because when I went off and do my
41:35
travels last year I went and did
41:36
ceremony in Peru and I actually
41:39
experienced a real connection to the
41:41
goddess a real connection to reality
41:45
though I never experienced before and
41:46
then my trip led me off and all this
41:49
work to sort of felt straightened in my
41:51
lap and that was everything that I've
41:53
experienced in ceremony and so I think
41:55
the day is a great deal to this and it's
41:58
very important that people pay attention
41:59
to the story well you bring up two
42:03
really crucial points here and these
42:05
points I tell you they burn in my soul
42:08
every day one point is that the Gnostics
42:14
and the tellus day as they call
42:17
themselves we who are aimed
42:20
of the ancient mysteries used Anthony
42:23
organic plants in order to keep their
42:27
minds open to the true nature of reality
42:29
and to the nature of this divine
42:32
experiment we're in and so the issue of
42:35
the correct use the ritual and correct
42:37
use of Antony organic plants sacred
42:40
plants not drugs but the gifts of nature
42:44
is extremely important in discussing how
42:48
we deal with the archons and the second
42:50
thing and this is really the flame that
42:54
burns in my heart the strongest I'll put
42:57
it in the form of a question I would
43:00
like to know why anyone would take the
43:03
Archon Intel from me who takes it out of
43:08
the Sophia story and not refer to the
43:12
story I would like to know why it
43:16
doesn't make any sense
43:17
and I advise all the people listening to
43:20
me now to be suspicious about anyone who
43:23
does that the story is about a goddess
43:27
and that goddess who engineered the
43:31
human genome in the galactic center is
43:34
now according to the Gnostic teachings
43:37
in this story living now embodied in
43:42
this very planet itself she is the
43:46
mother goddess Sophia is the true unique
43:50
and supreme mother goddess of this
43:52
planet and so there is a fantastic
43:54
opportunity through knowing her story to
43:59
merge your life and your fate into the
44:03
life and fate of this planet
44:04
and that is the mission and the
44:07
challenge that the gnostic teachings
44:09
present to us and it points toward
44:11
solution and there are many many aspects
44:14
of solution that can be derived by
44:17
looking in that direction and using the
44:19
myth to guide your life and to guide
44:23
your imagination that's its purpose and
44:26
that's the thing is that I mean the
44:28
Gnostics the Telesca the would Callisto
44:31
itself means those who I am
44:33
doesn't boast I am such a beautiful term
44:36
those who are aimed it is it is your
44:39
belief of reality and that the story of
44:41
who you are that aims you and when you
44:44
look at the state of humanity at the
44:47
moment and the state of this planet at
44:49
the moment I think we've been aimed in a
44:51
very good direction and we're aimed by
44:52
the myths that guide us and it's very
44:55
very important
44:57
what myth we're looking at and what
44:59
story we're buying into it really is
45:02
because this is our future we're
45:04
creating here we are part of it we are
45:06
part of history we're writing history
45:08
right now and we often forget that and I
45:11
like the word that you use there was
45:13
opportunity because that's what I see
45:15
all this as I see this huge awakening
45:17
that's happening at the moment as
45:19
opportunity and it's an opportunity for
45:21
us to get involved but we've got to get
45:23
involved in the real story well a big
45:27
part of the solution for humanity and
45:29
that is amenity as a whole and for each
45:32
one of us
45:33
individual human animals is the right
45:36
use of imagination and I can assure you
45:39
that I've spent my whole life trying to
45:42
understand the dynamics and the
45:45
operation of human imagination it is the
45:48
greatest power that the human animal has
45:51
the Gnostics called it the luminous
45:54
epinoia and they had a lot to say about
45:57
the power of human imagination but I
45:59
would just say this since we've getting
46:02
down to the last few minutes of our
46:03
interview here if you are not using your
46:06
imagination somebody else will and so
46:09
the question is how you're going to use
46:11
it what are you going to use to direct
46:14
it and the Gnostics call themselves to
46:16
left eye meaning we who are aimed
46:19
because they follow the practice I call
46:23
it a visionary practice in which they
46:27
trained their imagination within the
46:31
frame of this story the purpose of the
46:34
Sofie anak myth is not like any other
46:36
religious myth or scientific method
46:39
Ichi fantasy delivered by new-age
46:42
channelers no it is a unique and
46:46
incomparable store
46:47
that has the power to guide the
46:50
imagination of humanity and to aim us to
46:54
our to purpose to our true role on this
46:58
planet and to reveal the nature of the
47:01
divine experiment that we are in and the
47:04
moment for the Gnostic message is now
47:07
and more important than ever right now
47:10
in order to heal this experiment and to
47:15
correct this experiment in fact the idea
47:18
of correcting what has gone wrong with
47:20
the experiment here is even given to us
47:23
in gnostic myth you made the observation
47:26
Maxon it's extremely important and I'm
47:28
glad because I wouldn't want to have
47:30
overlooked it in this short talk it does
47:34
not have the last chapter humanity
47:37
itself are called to write the last
47:41
chapter and to complete this method to
47:44
complete this story and carry it forward
47:46
in the future this is the only myth that
47:49
you will find among all the religious
47:52
narratives of the world that remains
47:55
open ended and that invites humanity
47:58
itself to join the goddess to join the
48:03
intelligence of the earth to your
48:05
intelligence and to write the continuing
48:09
chapters of this story and so it's a
48:11
great tragedy when people use the Archon
48:15
element of her story and they do not
48:19
talk about her story or even talk about
48:21
her yeah living earth it's very
48:26
important I think to look at it in the
48:28
correct concept it really isn't for
48:29
those listening out there I will post
48:32
what I believe are some more poignant
48:35
conversations that I've heard John have
48:38
I'll post them on the crow house I
48:39
actually hope another section for you
48:41
John operon recommended viewing section
48:43
and I'll get some people to to get the
48:46
information and John's are websites
48:48
again for those who missed them before I
48:50
met a history org and guys spore dot org
48:54
and I'll put links to them on the
48:56
website as well what would you like to
48:59
finish with Joey's are probably about
49:00
two or three
49:01
minutes left what would you really like
49:03
to leave the listeners with sure since
49:06
this subject of the Archon seems to be
49:08
the thing that attracts people to the
49:11
Sophie annex story it's interesting that
49:13
we always go for the dark side there's
49:14
no I would suggested that's that's right
49:16
mind as well we go for the the ugly
49:18
machine part and it's all very
49:19
intriguing but we don't look at the the
49:22
whole myth it's it's an interesting part
49:23
of our psyche isn't it but but there's
49:25
also an instinct for survival work in
49:27
there just like any other animal we know
49:30
that there's a predator in our midst and
49:32
so when we hear the Archon word we perk
49:36
up our ears you say we know but I would
49:39
say this that the information about the
49:42
Archon predator is not going to be
49:45
helpful unless we eliminate one massive
49:48
blind spot in a human view of things and
49:52
that blind spot is that people even
49:55
relatively enlightened people today
49:57
still think that the earth is an inert
50:00
material body the earth is not an inert
50:04
material body it is a living being she
50:07
is alive she's intelligent and she can
50:11
communicate with human beings and the
50:13
Gnostics the Telesca communicated with
50:16
her directly and it is by connecting and
50:21
communicating with the living earth that
50:23
we can correct this experiment and that
50:26
we can manage to repel and defeat the
50:31
archons but without that connection to
50:34
the living Earth it's not possible very
50:39
very very important information Jon very
50:41
important indeed and I really do hope
50:44
people go and check out your work the
50:46
book is not in His image ladies and
50:48
gentlemen please check it out and that
50:50
was about all I was able to salvage out
50:52
of the interview folks there was a
50:54
little bit more but unfortunately I was
50:56
unable to bring it to you due to
50:57
connection problems on the day but Jon
51:00
lash has done some fascinating research
51:02
he is an incredibly interesting man to
51:04
talk to our crew had a conversation that
51:07
went for many hours and still probably
51:09
only a scratch to the surface of the
51:12
information that's contained
51:14
within his work and the concept of the
51:17
archons may seem very very out there to
51:20
people but it's interesting that the
51:23
story exists and it's also very
51:26
interesting that we find scientific
51:27
evidence to support the so fanuc myth
51:31
and the Gnostic vision of the creation
51:34
of Earth and it's also important to
51:37
remember folks that that may sound
51:38
far-fetched there are other really just
51:41
tales that I would suggest probably
51:43
sound more far-fetched I mean let's face
51:46
it folks the Christian vision of the
51:48
creation of man contains a scenario
51:51
whereby man was led from his path by a
51:54
woman because a woman accepted the
51:56
advice of a talking snake and I can't
52:00
see anybody finding any evidence to
52:02
support of that one and yet many people
52:05
are prepared to believe such a
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ridiculous concept and that is the story
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that they allow to aim them in their
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life and when one looks at the world
52:16
today I don't think we are aimed in a
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very good direction folks I think we
52:21
need to be careful where we aimed and
52:23
truthfully folks I do find to be quite
52:26
amazing that someone could believe a
52:28
stories such as the talking snake
52:30
scenario and yet question the Gnostic
52:34
version and suggests that the Gnostic
52:36
version is a ridiculous concept because
52:38
I would suggest that the Gnostic version
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is actually far more sensible than the
52:42
creation myths contained within modern
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monotheistic religions but the truth is
52:48
folks had really when you start looking
52:50
into the nature of this solar system you
52:53
start looking into the nature of our
52:54
civilization you start looking into the
52:57
things we spend our time doing how we
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have created a wedge between the sexes
53:04
we are so intent on creating artificial
53:06
life and all of the things we do folks
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and there would appear to be a great
53:12
deal of evidence to suggest that the
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Gnostic vision is in fact true and I'm
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not saying that it is 100 percent true
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I'm not saying I'm 100% certain that
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anything is true but what I am saying is
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that in attempting
53:27
to decipher the real problem and figure
53:30
out exactly what is going on here so we
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can find a real solution it's important
53:35
to look at all the information and the
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Gnostic vision is certainly one that is
53:40
worth considering but folks that is it
53:44
for me for today I will have to try to
53:47
get John on the show again because like
53:48
I said I could talk to the man for hours
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and I would really like to have a
53:52
discussion with him regarding a project
53:55
that he's involved in called planetary
53:56
Tantra which I did want to touch on but
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unfortunately just didn't get time so I
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have to see if I can have him back on at
54:02
a later date but that is it for me folks
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thank you very much for joining me on
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the air today thank you to anybody who's
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ever made a contribution to the website
54:10
be sure to go and check out meta history
54:12
dot org and check out some of John
54:14
Lash's work I'm sure that anybody who
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listens to this show will find it
54:17
interesting please take good care until
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we speak again next week in lovkesh
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