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entrepreneurship is living a few years
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of your life like most people won't so
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that you could spend the rest of your
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life like most people can't my name is
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Ashe John Carver solution founder and
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CEO of WatchMojo and in this interview
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series we sit down and talk to the men
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and woman who stand in the arena and
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discussed the struggles setbacks and
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eventual successes the experiences
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entrepreneurs in my many years running
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WatchMojo I've spent more time in New
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York than in any other city making
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friends with some of the most talented
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hustlers and builders in town while New
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York City grown to the capital finance
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and media by the late 20th century home
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to some of the world's largest
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corporations the city has also served
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home to some of the greatest
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entrepreneurs the world's ever known
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indeed in the 21st century in the wake
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of back-to-back shocks of the financial
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world Manhattan has seen a slow but
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steady shift back to its entrepreneurial
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roots showcasing the vision drive
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execution and persistence required to
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succeed unlike some of the other
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entrepreneurs I will be featuring I'd
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actually never met Anthony scare Moochie
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before sitting down with him
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scaramouche II burst onto the scene like
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a comet in a tumultuous 11 day stint as
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White House director in the summer of
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2017 after graduating from Tufts and
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Harvard and a stint at Goldman Sachs the
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moot went on to launch not one but two
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hedge funds first Oscar management and n
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skybridge so I guess the first question
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I want to ask you is if America was a
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stock is it it at an all-time high is it
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at a 52-week high so is it in the toilet
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where is it screaming buy me crazy this
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is the most unbelievable country in so
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many different ways you know what the
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greatest thing about the country is who
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cares of the politicians are these guys
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set the thing up so brilliantly that
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doesn't really matter this is gonna
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march forward with great technological
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advancement medical advancement
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infrastructure advancement we're gonna
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live in a world of abundance in 50 to
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100 years I may not see it you'll
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probably see it but it's it's
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unbelievable what's going on here now
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one of the issues that we have know is
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that we've got to start to make sure
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that we restructure a little so that we
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keep an equal opportunity agenda you're
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never gonna get any equal outcomes
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okay you can't systematize that you
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can't politicize that there's no system
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in five thousand five hundred years of
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history where you get an equal outcome
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so if you got liberal Millennials or
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generation C people wake up there's no
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equal outcomes okay but there is an
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opportunity to create equal opportunity
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we have to do more of that but this is
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an unbelievable by okay so I definitely
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country's a homerun we're gonna talk a
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lot about America your family came here
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my family keep left Iran in 78 went to
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Canada and through Spain we had it easy
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my dad worked for the Spanish Embassy so
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a lot other people have to come in harsh
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realities are you a citizen I'm a Canaan
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citizen Canadians you know I'm here you
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like living here in New York right I
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Love New York I find USA is still the
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best country in the world the best it's
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the best but cab is probably the best
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country to live in because you don't
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have the extremes though the one problem
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between the United States and Canada not
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a problem between the countries but the
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way you analyze these countries is this
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country the United States became a super
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super power after the end of the Second
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World War and so we made a decision and
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it was a benevolent decision to engage
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in the global community and to build the
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infrastructure for peace in our
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civilization and so we built up a lot of
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acronyms or there's WTO the UN UNESCO
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all of these great world organizations
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the World Court and we built this
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infrastructure piece of our prosper
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society and we were a great beneficiary
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of being a most super powers in the
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modern world or Island super powers we
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are a island continent just look at the
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map okay so we had this unbelievable
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resources as great footprint and we're
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the last standing industrialized country
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so we set it up in a way that was very
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non-traditional we we spent
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infrastructure money outside the US with
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the Marshall Plan and then we uneven the
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trade deals around the you world we said
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okay we'll accept goods and services
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flowing freely into the US but our goods
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and services are going to be in bar goed
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because we need to benefit mankind by
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creating a global middle class
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and economic interdependence II in the
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system 71 72 years later it's been a
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phenomenal success the Canadians by the
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way have contributed they've contributed
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militarily they've always put their
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forces and troops on the ground when we
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asked them for help but they didn't bear
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that burden okay of building that system
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for the world and so now that system is
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changing it has to be RER connected
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again
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so you basically touched on the theme of
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exporting peace which I definitely want
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to get into but let's just go back you
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mentioned being at Goldman before that
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you were at Harvard and you've been at
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the White House those are three of the
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top institutions what's the one trait
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you think that you need to get into
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those organizations the top institution
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that I came from was a mental
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institution it was 72 Webster Avenue
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okay that was the house that I grew up
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in and my parents to live in okay that
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was the top institution okay
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I beat every one of those houses and
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every one of those schools okay but
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what's the question what's the one trade
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skill said the one thing you need to get
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into those like is it intelligence is
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the persistence is it luck is it you got
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to know the right people
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hey let me tell you something you know I
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can give you all the cliches in the
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world you got to go forward man you got
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to go forward my life is so improbable
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and so many weird twists and turns have
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happened to me well let me tell you some
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when I hit the ground you got to make a
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decision you made out of China you made
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it a glass or you rubber rubber ball me
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I'm a rubber Superboy you know I'm gonna
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hit the ground
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no expect you stand the ground too long
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okay so that's the number one thing it's
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not what happens to you in life ash it's
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what you do with what happens to you in
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life okay so I'm getting bounced from
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the white house I'm fired I'm
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humiliating 45 major newspapers non-stop
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repetition on all the news media you
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know is brutal
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but I said a few coarse words I was
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caught on a recorded phone line by a
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nefarious reporter and so Kelly use that
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to fire me that's cool it's his right I
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never complained about it talked very
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well about him but I'm walking out now
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it's a week later I'm on the fourth
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Street or 3rd Street Promenade in Santa
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Monica my 25 year old son who work for
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Google is now with Peter Diamandis is
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going to Stanford business
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in September he's got his arm around me
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me this hey pops are you okay pops are
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you okay
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I said AJ now am i okay watch what I do
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with this it's gonna be a learning
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lesson for you that no matter what
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happens okay they want to roll me in
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broken glass they want to say mean and
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nasty things about me who cares I don't
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have cancer you had an unbelievable life
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read Victor Frankel's book man and the
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search for meaning of life this guy had
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to walk out a concentration camp they
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took the fillings out of his teeth and
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he came to the United States and built
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themselves off from nothing so so
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refresh your attitude refresh your
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optimism refresh your passion in your
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life and don't take it too seriously you
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know Mel Brooks is an amazing line you
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want to hear it relax ash none of us are
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getting out of here alive
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okay we hear that line before chorus if
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okay that's it run it that way I wanted
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to know a little bit more about that
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famous interview he referred to I
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wondered if there was something
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subconscious going on
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you mentioned the nefarious journalists
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and that was that a cry for help did you
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want out because once you got in you
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realize just how cancerous yes I was
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it's actually a lot of people said that
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to me that that was a cry for help that
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was actually the very opposite of a cry
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for help that was me
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somebody said to me the other day that
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I'm politically naive I was like that's
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completely wrong I'm politically naive
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to the 10th power
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I'm exponentially politically naive I
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picked up the phone this was Frank Liz's
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son he knew my father for 50 years he
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grew up in the same neighborhood as me
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he was an Italian kid I picked the phone
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to call him to ask him how did the
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private dinner get leaked
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okay and I didn't need his sources I
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just wanted to feel him out and we were
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joking on the phone with each other you
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can listen to the tape he wrote it up
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like I was like some kind of uh names
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lunatic and blah blah blah I mean all
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this nonsense listen to the tape he
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recorded it we flushed out the tape
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Chris Cuomo looked at him I said dude
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this isn't it somebody wrote wrote it
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like it was salaciously unhinge the guy
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was talking to you regular neighborhood
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II definitely a little bit of profanity
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in there I mean I told him bit of fake
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news about Steve man I mean
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you do what I said but I mean other than
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that they'll be impressive the but but
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it was very evaluative of what these
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people are like I know how to evaluate
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talent I've started from scratch two
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businesses so that was very far from a
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cry for help that was help in the
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opposite way I had built a nine-page
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comms plan
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I understood the president's personality
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I knew we had to clean out the cultural
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misfits inside the room they were only
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caring about themselves the number one
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thing you got to do when you're starting
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up you got to create the right culture
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and we're previous did is he created the
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absolutely wrong culture he was a very
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paranoid guy very very insecure and the
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way you get power in life ash you got to
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give it away it's only way to get power
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okay I ran skybridge I hosted Wall
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Street week I ran the salt conference I
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had a podcast I was on the president's
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executive transition team and I was
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fundraising for the president and I was
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one of his top media surrogates during
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the transition no way you can do all
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those things you got a delegate give
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power away and you got to hold people
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accountable for it then you got to have
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enough self-confidence that the people
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around you we're not gonna bag you ID if
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you've got insecurities in your
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personality and your under-confident it
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always equals paranoia and backstab so
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that's a human equation of psychology to
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take to the bank
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so if you're running a company and
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you're listening to this program
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identify the people that are
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backstabbing each other in your room get
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them in a closet get them in a
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conference room and say okay listen
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you're a backstabber and you're a little
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paranoid can you calm yourself down if
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you cannot calm yourself down I got to
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get rid of you but you know why you're
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very talented
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okay and Priebus is actually a very
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organized guy disciplined guy I thought
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he did a good job at the RNC
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I liked him I thought he was a friend of
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mine until he started his sinister
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slithering nonsense that they do in the
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swamp once he brought up Priebus I had
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to ask about the staredown that famous
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photo now there's that picture of you
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and him standing in the Wall Street
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Journal - yeah he's a cowboy
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whatwhat the cowboy shot what's going
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through your mind and what's going
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through his mind in that moment well you
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know I've looked at the picture that was
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an accidental picture
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I was really trying to figure out at
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that moment if there was some move on
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the Rubik's Cube or I could get the
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patterns to line up properly and him and
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I could figure out a way to get a wall
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but he was leaking on me six so funny I
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mean like these guys they didn't want me
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in a job so they were blasting me
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tonight before the president puts me in
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the job they start the process of
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blasting me that weekend that picture
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was taken after the weekend and you know
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they're leaking on me left and right I
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was like okay these guys are like
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ridiculous okay they're supposed to be
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my friends he fronts up like you're old
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enough to remember richie cunningham you
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know the the genial guy from happy days
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with the Fonz the guy fronts up like
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richie cunningham but he's really like a
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Sith Lord you know he's a backstabbing
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Sith Lord with like a red lightsaber
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right so that's what they do to you I
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think I'm hahaha and then when you're
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not looking they try to hit you from
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behind okay what are you guys doing this
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for why do we need to do that this is
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what the American people don't like
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let's stop doing this right so that look
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was okay do I have to knock this guy
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into Pennsylvania Avenue because I'm
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prepared to knock I'm into Pennsylvania
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Avenue or is he gonna knock it off what
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is he gonna do okay because he's he's
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the number one leaker in the White House
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I showed the president how he was
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leaking how was it leaking take us my
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dinner I did a whole Carrie Mathison you
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watch homeland no no okay well your
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friends do so what happens is she's
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looking at the terrorists and she's
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analyzing you at the big dude Schumer
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watch that because I'm from Iran no I'm
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kidding going on Wow probably should
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watch it because you from Miranda that's
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probably gonna be a bad moment for me
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that was probably pulled to the correct
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it's all good right but but but I showed
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so we use the president's name he would
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leak through the Washington Examiner he
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would say Trump hates ash and then you'd
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get like a Google Alert on your phone oh
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my god Trump hates me I thought I had a
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great relationship that was previous
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doing that to you with Spicer and a
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couple other guys some of his cutouts
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because he wanted to keep you from the
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White House or he wanted to destabilize
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what he thought was a strong
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relationship between you and trauma
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right so he's the Washington Examiner
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why I hope never cut that out for the
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president the president didn't read that
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president was more focused on things
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like the New York Post and
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right you never either Washington's an
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ER so he's used the president's name in
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the Washington Examiner when he was
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leaking on Gary he would go to The Wall
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Street Journal you know that would be
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the maximum damage to Gary he had two or
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three cut outs there and he used them
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Bannon loved the walls right how did you
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figure out it was him what was your you
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don't have to be like a rock okay it was
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more by just figured okay look he hates
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these guys these are the journalists
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he's tight with here the cutouts that
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he's using I mean it had a massive a
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leak I mean we're trying to go to
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political with me my original job was
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video PL director now I know I look like
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I was born at night but it wasn't last
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night right so I said okay you're gonna
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make me to go PL direct I was already
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smelling some bad nonsense so I asked
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Rick durable in the head of the
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transition team to give me a letter an
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offer an acceptance letter and I got the
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offer an acceptance letter right so now
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that are doing their opposition research
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and all their nonsense on me to block me
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from getting in a 10 a leaking that they
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never offered me the job in the first
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place there was never a press release on
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me that was one of the previous tricks
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so I took the letter and I sent it to
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lier spice from the Spice Girls right
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every Spice Girls got a nickname so I
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sent the letter to liar spice and I said
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liar spice you can't lie about this I
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have documented evidence on this so
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you're gonna have to switch the story
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with Politico ok but even after that I
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still protected lyre spice when he was
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out there making the Hitler comments and
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all the stupid stuff I went on erin
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burnett show and said he shouldn't lose
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his job over that he was trying he was
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just over his head and you know so you
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were brought in to kind of kill the
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leaks but isn't it leaks apart like a
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necessary evil and dad leaks let's let's
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define leaks there's a lot of different
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types of leaks so if you go throughout
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human history political leaking is a
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normal practice you're leaking to test
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an idea you're leaking to test a
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personnel decision you're leaking to
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build a bridge and a relationship with
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the journalist you may need them in a
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crisis there's a lot of positives and a
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lot of positive externality for leaking
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badly King is ashes a trunk ash has a
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girlfriend ash is a globalist
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dimwit is a nationalist okay that is
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like bad leaking no scaramouche's got a
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nefarious deal with the Chinese bad
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leaking stop it guys it's not off the
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lying let's knock off the disingenuous
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dishonesty let's stop it now all the
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stuff that I'm saying to you it's very
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dangerous because people don't like the
15:38
truth they don't like to hear the truth
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and I'd like to take out people that
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speak the truth you know you remember a
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few good men let me taste them we're at
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a point talk about an inflection point
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in our society we have this unbelievable
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amazing society but we got to fix the
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government you can track up 30 40
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trillion dollars of debt you'll dig too
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big of a hole
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you'll stay rich I'll be fine my kids
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will be fine
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but you're gonna hurt the middle class
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and the lower middle class families that
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I came from okay there you're gonna
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reduce their standard of living if you
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continue to operate the government off
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of this ridiculous policy so that's why
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the president got elected so while we
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knock it off let's have a little bit
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more transparency and honesty between
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each other you don't have to like me I
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don't have to like you but when we're in
16:21
the same Jersey - 77 Yankees you're not
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old enough to remember them but they
16:25
were killing each other hey Sparky Lyle
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wrote a book called the Bronx Zoo they
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were killing each other when I got on
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the field they're wearing the same
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Jersey they won the World Series so you
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don't have to like me I'm halfway decent
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of what I'm capable of and so are you
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let's get in the boat together row in
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the same direction let's knock off the
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Internet's and warfare if the election
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were held today this Trump won by a
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landslide so you think he's gonna play
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2020 election is held today huh he wins
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by a landslide if he might actually
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agree with you when I call answer I call
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2016 a year before it happened I said he
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was gonna but why do you think he's
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gonna win well because there are three
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or four reason number one there's I mean
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no offense to these guys and I said this
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to Donna Brazile on Bill Maher show who
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do you got
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show me the guy show me to a woman or to
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Ottawa man a woman that's gonna beat him
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this guy is a beast okay he is a
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superstar you may not like him you mean
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I like his mannerisms his style his
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tweeting but this guy is a beast okay he
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gets it and he knows how to get the job
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done and let me tell you something he
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hits it harder than anybody this guy
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plays like a
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dog all day you want to learn from Trump
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it's 21-7 you're in late in the third
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quarter and he's gonna win are you gonna
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take the boys gonna drive it down
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feeling people don't like me for saying
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that stuff about him but he's not a
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choke artist okay so he wins by a
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landslide today in 2020 he wins by a
17:47
landslide the mechanical reasons for
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that or you are in a rising economy
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since 1882 today you don't lose the
17:54
presidency in a rising economies never
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happened so so the only time it did
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happen was unusual there was an
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assassination of a president and it was
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a very bad war going on and a tremendous
18:05
amount of civil protests and so the
18:07
sitting president and the rising economy
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left the race he's really worried about
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Bobby Kennedy LBJ it's the only time
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that did happen very different different
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exogenous circles actually he wins
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curious what you think you got him for
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another seven years so get used to it
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that's right but let's get the right
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team around them so that we can really
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do a good job for the Americans speaking
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of the team so this year this week
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Ivanka Trump says you know you can't ask
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me as the daughter about whether or not
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like the sex stuff is accurate it's not
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but fair question or whatever two days
18:39
before that she's in Korea and she's
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like I'm basically an advisor and she's
18:42
an advisor is that gonna last or at some
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point are Jared and Ivanka and her
18:47
family is the nepotism continue so look
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I I know I don't I don't know the I
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don't know the answer to that but I find
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this thing like a little laughable about
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the corner quota nepotism okay Bobby
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Kennedy was Attorney General he's in the
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cabinet okay so the fact that the
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president wants a few of his family
19:02
members around him as official advisors
19:05
is less hypocritical than having George
19:07
Walker Bush advising George Herbert
19:09
Walker Bush throughout the presidency
19:11
working on the election campaign and so
19:13
forth this is just hypocritical there
19:14
are many instances Abigail Adams you
19:17
could go back through our history so
19:19
there's the eateth Wilson there's Ben
19:21
levels of nepotism in our government
19:23
forever okay so so people cry nepotism
19:27
they should take a step back say they've
19:28
relax for a second the first lady's not
19:31
an elected official she is a very
19:32
integral part in the government secondly
19:34
he's not a government official and so
19:37
there was always a family component to
19:38
these things there has to be look at the
19:39
stress of these people
19:40
so give the guy a break on that as it
19:43
relates to the two of them as
19:44
governmental officials I don't know the
19:46
answer to that but my guess is probably
19:47
not
19:48
because if you look at duration cycle of
19:51
governmental officials underneath the
19:53
president
19:53
they typically grind out in two to three
19:56
years do you feel like Trump winning
19:59
ultimately was just confirmation that in
20:00
America celebrity and wealth is what
20:03
Americans look up to like they didn't
20:05
elect them because of his business
20:06
acumen they elected him because of like
20:08
The Apprentice like that kind of rule
20:10
that's good question I I don't know the
20:12
answer to that I think that they elected
20:13
him because remember the rise of Trump
20:17
ISM is common death or the decline of
20:19
collectivism okay I mean you could have
20:21
flipped coins and made better decisions
20:22
of those guys I mean I will never
20:23
understand why they didn't go to
20:25
Wisconsin she only lost the state by I
20:27
don't know I know yeah you have to
20:28
Google this I don't know the exact
20:30
number but is it 40 50 thousand votes
20:32
she lost the state of Wisconsin her
20:34
aides told her you got that in the bag
20:36
but let me submit to you if you get the
20:38
speaker the houses Republican from
20:39
Wisconsin and you got Governor Scott
20:41
Walker that's won three elections in
20:43
four years in Wisconsin don't you show
20:45
up her decline or her terrible candidacy
20:49
and by the way I like her as a person
20:50
you'll never hear me say anything bad
20:52
about I'm just analyzing the strategy of
20:54
the campaign they outspent this and they
20:56
out man us man does or woman does and
20:59
they still beat up we still beat them so
21:01
so to me I think trunk 1/4 number
21:04
detractors her weakness as a candidate
21:07
and her bad strategy his persistence his
21:10
persona and I do think you know you may
21:14
not agree with this but I think the
21:15
American people looked at him and said
21:16
okay I don't know what he's worth
21:18
he says he's worth 10 billion we can
21:20
take him at his word but he's definitely
21:21
worth a lot more than me okay so he's a
21:24
rich guy by the standards of America
21:26
some people view them as a success and
21:28
they also smell that their government is
21:30
family they smell there's something
21:32
wrong with the system and they were
21:34
hoping to get somebody from outside the
21:35
system one of his best campaign lines
21:37
was listen I get the system I played the
21:39
system he gave money to Schumer I gave
21:42
money to Clinton I gave money to D'Amato
21:44
I played the system let me get in there
21:46
let me see if I can fix the system so I
21:48
think that was the compelling narrative
21:50
the bomb to the presidency is there a
21:51
degree of hypocrisy of
21:53
the Americans and especially let's say
21:55
the Democrats when they're kind of
21:56
crying foul over Russia when America has
21:59
a history of meddling in other countries
22:01
election so it is not just a degree of
22:04
hypocrisy among politicians there's a
22:06
degree of a Bacchus among everybody
22:07
everybody's a hypocrite in some way
22:09
shape or form you have said something I
22:11
don't know we're gonna analyze you
22:13
you've said something ten years ago five
22:15
years ago three years ago you're doing
22:17
the exact opposite of that I've done it
22:19
you know I'm a hypocrite but there's a
22:21
difference if you change your point of
22:22
view because conditions change I mean
22:23
don't you find Trump is just lying all
22:25
the time like that there's a hypocrisy
22:27
of those whining about Russia but I mean
22:29
with Trump the degree of lying like how
22:32
could anybody work for him Reid win big
22:34
Lee by Scott Adams he's the creator of
22:37
Dilbert and so he's a very interesting
22:40
take on Trump's persuasion skills he has
22:43
a very interesting take on Trump's
22:45
vernacular okay he's a showman and so
22:49
he's a storyteller and so he mixes in
22:53
the story some levels of fabrication the
22:57
average student of politics the average
23:00
person that's analyzing presidential
23:03
nature and presidential personality
23:06
doesn't like it the average American
23:08
that's watched television and anissina
23:10
mom TV and has seen the screenplay
23:13
unfold finds it amusing so we're in a
23:16
new territory okay you're you're in a
23:19
situation now we have the first Smash
23:22
Mouth shock-jock president if Barack
23:26
Obama was the Jackie Robinson of the
23:28
American presidency he broke the color
23:30
barrier Donald Trump is the Howard Stern
23:33
okay so somebody's finished so a guy
23:36
like me I get that joke my buttons
23:39
bigger than your button I'm laughing I
23:40
mean it says some stuff that's really
23:42
funny any he will stretch a story you
23:45
know there's a there's a great cliche
23:47
why let the truth get in the way of a
23:50
great story okay Trump is a great
23:52
storyteller and so if you were
23:54
legitimizing so while he's the president
23:56
adage every word that comes out of his
23:58
mouth I learned that George Washington
23:59
never told a lie you've been told his
24:01
daddy chopped down the cherry tree let
24:03
me take him at his word he's a prolific
24:05
liar
24:06
the guys like me we don't see him like
24:08
that we see him as a colorful guy who
24:10
says colorful things but when you get
24:12
down to brass tacks you're sitting at a
24:14
table like this is a very good decision
24:15
maker very good that's decision you've
24:18
seen maybe whether in the 11 days razor
24:21
fence I think that was a great pick for
24:23
him my big pensive complimentary
24:24
and he complements him with an e mean
24:27
he's a complimentary personality and he
24:29
complements him with an i3 gets the
24:31
president he's a loyal guy pence got a
24:34
great staff no drama on the staff I
24:36
think is great decision by the president
24:38
you touch on loyalty how jarring and
24:41
frustrating is it to work for someone
24:43
who command so much loyalty but seems to
24:45
give it back so little you don't count
24:48
him as a loyal person um um I count him
24:52
as someone that likes loyalty there's
24:54
been some asymmetric behavior as it
24:56
relates to his loyalty but but there's
25:00
also another weird thing that goes on
25:01
with him right
25:02
no one's ever had of his orbit right you
25:04
ready I mean your viewers can't see it
25:06
but I'll draw for you the orbit is not a
25:08
circle it's an ellipse okay and so what
25:11
happens is I was in this orbit you know
25:14
closer here and now I'm out here you see
25:17
what I mean but you never leave the
25:18
orbit right you see under mean so if you
25:19
get the joke with him he gets the joke
25:21
with you you see to me I'm loyal to the
25:25
guy because he's a good guy he's trying
25:26
to do the right thing he fired me for a
25:29
reason I get fired because I was the
25:31
White House communications director and
25:33
I got bagged by a journalist I should
25:35
have been smarter than that I should
25:36
have not had that happen to me now you
25:38
could have given me a pass on that okay
25:41
you gonna said all right guys a good guy
25:42
he backed me they're an Access Hollywood
25:44
tape he sponsored a breakfast right
25:46
after that he's really trying to help me
25:48
I'm gonna give him a pass he's got a
25:50
nine-page comms plan that's really gonna
25:52
help the country let's move forward it's
25:54
just a new cycle but they didn't do that
25:56
they created a spectacle about it they
25:58
made me as famous as Melania and Ivanka
26:00
I didn't have to be his wife or his
26:02
daughter so we are less painful in many
26:04
ways sometimes but my point is I'm not
26:06
going to lose my friendship with them
26:07
over politics see the difference do you
26:13
think that the whole investigation is
26:15
either serve what is the odds of
26:17
impeachment you know
26:18
ishes a joke the problem with the
26:20
investigation is that these things go
26:22
haywire right it's like shooting a
26:24
pinball and they're bouncing off the
26:25
bumpers and the lights are blinking and
26:27
it's like a total joke okay
26:29
Conde said today Secretary Rice let's
26:31
stop and let's knock off the Russian
26:33
investigation you have 15 months until
26:34
you haven't found anything the country's
26:36
ready to move on that's what she said
26:38
this morning so let's knock it off
26:39
there's nothing there I said there was
26:40
nothing there 15 months ago but here's
26:42
what happens you start on whitewater
26:45
your name is Ken Starr and you're
26:47
working on Hillary and Bill Clinton and
26:50
you end up with the Monica Lewinsky
26:53
scandal
26:53
okay and so you wait long enough you
26:56
look pretty good you know God makes the
26:58
bald heads perfect you know that right
26:59
aunt you look pretty good you probably
27:01
are a perfect person okay but you're
27:02
talking to an imperfect person okay but
27:05
you maybe you're perfect I'm not perfect
27:07
you you did hard enough you dig long
27:10
enough you're gonna find something about
27:12
me you don't like you're gonna find a
27:13
misstep you're gonna find it I just
27:15
indiscretion I I'm a flawed guy I had in
27:20
business I've made 10 phone books of
27:22
flaws in the White House I made five
27:24
phone books of him in 11 days okay I'm a
27:26
flawed guy making mistakes all the time
27:28
so the pin balls bouncing around now in
27:31
Washington the the pinball machine is
27:34
called scandals incorporated they played
27:36
a machine on Hillary Clinton they would
27:38
say oh my god uranium one 33,000 emails
27:41
let's hits president Hillary Clinton the
27:45
pinball will bounce around in there
27:46
she didn't win and a dialing offer he's
27:49
upset
27:50
I said stop hitting me I'm gonna start
27:52
hitting her right and that's what
27:54
happens he you become the swamp because
27:57
the swamp is the swamp swamp swamp
27:59
laughs at you they laugh at you they
28:01
said oh here he comes
28:03
mr. naivete to the 10th power let's slow
28:06
down his do and Sophia's let's disrupt
28:09
his family let's put a negative research
28:12
opposition research out on them let's
28:15
give him a run for his money we're gonna
28:16
be here for 30 years this guy's coming
28:18
into ten minutes gonna be in this
28:19
president's term one day 11 days for me
28:23
maybe a year let's drive him crazy let's
28:26
teach him what the swamp is all about
28:27
and then you become the swamp if you let
28:29
yourself become the swamp
28:31
American people don't like it bro you
28:33
got millennial care how old you I'm 39
28:36
my kids are nine and says you got young
28:37
kids - I got millennial kids and I got
28:40
generations ears and I don't like it
28:42
they don't like it they see through it
28:44
they don't like it and also the
28:46
proliferation I said that word right of
28:48
social media it's got a spotlight on
28:51
these people like whoa he's really like
28:55
this what's wrong with you people why
28:56
don't you knock it off
28:57
well like it with the shooting that
29:00
happened in Florida do you think that
29:03
the reaction against the students well
29:06
as those kids get older and get the
29:08
right to vote is that gonna come back
29:10
and haunt the Republicans I don't know
29:12
good question though so will you where
29:15
you say to yourself is its we should be
29:20
able to solve for this issue okay I
29:23
really wish at times like this that we
29:27
stop with the left and right nonsense
29:29
and we go to right and wrong okay and so
29:32
right or wrong as a post partisan
29:34
analytics left or right is the
29:37
nonsensical trauma that we have right
29:39
now and so to me
29:40
I'm absolutely confident they're smart
29:43
enough nonpartisan enough people in the
29:45
country where we could hit the
29:47
intersection point of non crazy people
29:51
can have use for guns for recreational
29:53
or protective purposes self-defense and
29:56
crazy people can't get anywhere near a
29:58
gun and I'm gonna tell you something if
30:00
you're a liberal watching this and you
30:01
want to poke out one of my eyes I'm
30:03
sorry to tell you this is always gonna
30:05
be a Second Amendment but the thing got
30:07
started with a Second Amendment had to
30:09
do with what the the British forces did
30:11
in New Hampshire and Massachusetts by
30:14
taking the garrisons munitions away and
30:18
it paralyzed those people there was no
30:20
tax
30:21
there was no representation on taxation
30:23
and they took their guns and missions
30:25
away and so then they could be oppressed
30:27
and so they understood I intuitively
30:29
that you needed had the ability to arm
30:31
yourself to protect yourself not only
30:33
against enemies the potential
30:35
governmental oppression it's been
30:37
steeped in the culture of the United
30:39
States that t-bag is in the culture the
30:41
United States for 242 years
30:44
forty-three years it's not going away so
30:47
you may not like it but you're not going
30:49
to regulate or litigate or legislate the
30:53
guns out of existence United States what
30:55
you have to do is you've got to tighten
30:57
the background checks you got to reduce
30:59
the magazines you've got to reduce the
31:01
impact of the bullets so police the bomb
31:03
and the bullets out there that are super
31:04
harmful or less harmful yeah set up
31:07
devices you know you're a technologist
31:09
there's great devices we put in these
31:11
schools
31:11
you should not own these teachers that's
31:14
crazy that's a that's a really bad idea
31:15
I would tell the president if I'm
31:17
sitting next to him I say well let's
31:19
relax on arming the teachers I know you
31:20
oh you're on missile lock with the arm
31:22
and the teachers but don't on the
31:24
teachers because the gun is gonna go off
31:26
when you least expect it and you don't
31:28
want it and if you've got 45 50 thousand
31:30
schools or whatever the number is I
31:32
don't know the number but you've had
31:34
1,400 people die since Columbine let's
31:36
say you got a hundred thousand schools I
31:38
don't want a hundred thousand schools
31:40
many of which are very safe -
31:42
statistically have an increase in the
31:44
potential acts of violence as a result
31:46
of exposure to arms so we can figure
31:49
that out we're smart we can figure that
31:51
out we got to figure it out in a right
31:54
or wrong way as opposed to left or right
31:56
and and everybody at the tables got to
31:58
be unhappy
31:58
the left's got to be unhappy because
32:00
there's some freedom around the guns and
32:02
the rights got to be unhappy because we
32:04
can't put an orange ball sighs blow out
32:07
into an innocent kids body I'm sorry
32:09
okay that's that's not what we should be
32:11
doing our people okay but not gets a gun
32:13
and they shoot an orange bowl size hole
32:16
in your son's body I don't want that
32:18
okay I got five kids let's knock that
32:19
off we should be able to solve what why
32:22
is it both why is it that after this
32:25
most recent shooting there seems to be a
32:27
little bit of traction but why is it
32:29
also that there's never any action in
32:31
the end and we just forget and move on
32:32
because that's what they do to you they
32:34
grind you down they slow roll you the
32:37
move in the swamp is the slow roll move
32:39
want to hear the slow roll move okay you
32:42
know this heat right now but in two days
32:46
the news cycle will be over and there's
32:48
a great website called last week's news
32:50
or last week news from two weeks ago and
32:54
like you you go on our website and you
32:56
you
32:57
Wow yeah that was like attached every
32:58
two weeks ago but now we're here two
33:01
weeks later we don't even thinking about
33:02
that there's another catastrophe
33:04
so they grind you they slow roll you and
33:07
so that's the question you asked me but
33:08
the kids I don't know the answer those
33:09
kids are really that fired up and they
33:12
are that persistent and they can create
33:15
a movement on March 24th that galvanizes
33:18
the youth the product will change the
33:21
product is a politician that product
33:23
will change you want to change the
33:24
system force everybody to vote like they
33:26
do in Australia all of a sudden the
33:28
product has to become less extreme if I
33:30
only like bitter coffee and you only
33:33
like super sweet coffee okay but now I
33:35
can only serve one coffee to both sides
33:38
the coffee's gonna be a little bitter
33:40
and a little sweet it's not gonna be one
33:43
side and the other side make everybody
33:45
vote you'll liquidate and dilute the
33:46
product you see what I mean and then you
33:48
have less polemical less it is nonsense
33:50
that we're dealing with compare for me
33:52
DC with Wall Street because the unique
33:55
take on the worst guy of 54 the worst
34:01
guy I'm and I got him right in my brain
34:03
right here right inside my melon a worst
34:05
guy ever met in my life you want to name
34:06
them I gotta name names they know who
34:08
they are okay and one of them apologized
34:11
me so I'm over him but the other guy
34:12
means it's a terrible human being
34:14
he's the Eagle Scout okay he is the
34:18
pillar of rectitude and ethics in
34:21
Washington Wall Street is such a cooler
34:24
place okay we got tough guys we got
34:26
ruthless guys you're gonna poke my eye
34:28
out for a dollar but at the end of day
34:30
we're transacting right so here's what I
34:32
say about Wall Street Wall Street
34:34
there's a game going on and we're both
34:36
on the green team here's the green it's
34:38
money I'm gonna sell you the building
34:40
you're looking at the building you're
34:42
going to improve the quality the rent
34:43
roll you're gonna make money off of me
34:45
I'm gonna make money off of you because
34:46
I'm getting a net present value off my
34:48
current cash flow we're gonna transact
34:50
you may take my eyeball out while I'm
34:52
doing it and I may hate you of what I'm
34:53
done but at least we've got some harmony
34:56
in the transaction in in washer there's
35:00
no Green Team it's guys nuts I got to
35:03
get closer to the president this guy may
35:04
be close to the president oh my god I
35:06
feel so powerful I don't want this guy
35:09
to get any of my power
35:10
they take like this little pill okay it
35:12
looks it's the lord acton pill okay they
35:15
put it in power corrupts absolute power
35:20
corrupts absolutely people are nuts
35:23
that's why the founders put into fourth
35:25
the state that's why the first move I
35:26
made or they turn the lights on in the
35:28
press room you gotta have people that
35:32
are in power held accountable to their
35:34
power by the Fourth Estate you want to
35:37
protect the country's democracy you want
35:38
to protect the country from tyranny we
35:40
got to have a relationship with the
35:42
press they men like me I mean I like
35:44
them but we can't be declaring war on
35:46
them okay that's part of the original
35:49
documents that's part of the foundation
35:51
of the country in our long sit down
35:53
session Anthony and I went on to talk
35:55
about a number of other things including
35:56
general Kelly how he found out he was
35:59
being fired Michael wolf fire and fury
36:02
as well as Trump's plan assuming he has
36:05
one and if you want to hear all of that
36:07
make sure to check out the extended
36:08
version of this interview but we're
36:09
gonna jump ahead to Trump's
36:11
understanding of the paradox of greed
36:13
the great economic gift the President
36:17
Trump has is that he understands the
36:20
paradox of greed if I take the entire
36:22
pizza for myself I'm gonna end up way
36:25
poor why is that I'm gonna be in a bob
36:28
wired McMansion with security and my
36:31
neighbor's gonna be storm if I slice my
36:34
neighbor into the pie I'm probably gonna
36:36
be just fine and they're gonna be fine
36:38
too Henry Ford was like a terrible dude
36:40
apparently a racist all these bad things
36:42
about him but he understood the
36:44
economics of the paradox of greed he
36:47
said I'm gonna pay my workers enough
36:49
money so that they can afford the car
36:51
that they're sitting driving or the car
36:54
that they're making I'm gonna pay them
36:56
enough money to live in a nice house and
36:57
we have a good school system this way
36:59
they won't come at me in my mansion with
37:01
a pitchfork and a fire stick and try to
37:02
put my head on a spike right and so
37:05
that's part of the social contract and
37:06
Trump understands that better than
37:07
anybody so he's a person in the room
37:11
like how did he is obviously the
37:13
greediest person I mean if you look at
37:15
this equation what this thing's cost
37:17
them a couple billion dollars to be the
37:18
president so how's he been the greediest
37:20
person I mean would you read about the
37:22
self-dealing Mike
37:23
basically foreign government staying at
37:25
the Trump Hotel in DC like there are
37:27
things that you would think he would
37:28
have the I mean look I don't know the
37:30
financials at Trump because it's private
37:32
and surprise but I think they get into
37:33
mouch I mean they're losing a lot of
37:35
liberal bar mitzvah money at these uh at
37:38
these hotels on put to you that way
37:39
and a lot of people don't go to these
37:41
hotels anymore he just lost Trump Soho I
37:43
think he lost Trump Toronto you can't
37:45
tell me these making money off the
37:46
president I just thought I'd believe it
37:48
okay now we can paint it that way and we
37:50
can position him that way he's getting
37:52
across because he picked ran for
37:53
president this is the Trump family like
37:56
the Kennedys are you going to see Ivanka
37:59
and jr. running for office no no you
38:02
don't know no if you had to bet on one
38:05
of them running or becoming present in
38:09
the future which of the three you think
38:10
is most no I wouldn't bet against any of
38:12
them they're very articulate on
38:14
television they're good-looking people
38:15
they've got sound reasoning boy they've
38:18
got some life experience now I mean it's
38:20
one thing to be on television with your
38:22
dad running The Apprentice is another
38:23
thing to be getting flaming arrows shot
38:26
at ya every single day of your life you
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know and you've got 40 to 75 thousand
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Twitter trolls that are lighting up your
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Twitter feed and you got what do they
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call this thing shadow banning I mean
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they're all shadow banned on Twitter you
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know you got all this like stalinistic
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nonsense going on in these social media
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companies slow down conservative thought
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so they got the education of a lifetime
38:46
so they're well-equipped for the job but
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you know look I think that has to be a
38:51
calling I think that it's you have to
38:56
you know Oprah said it better than
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anybody she's like okay God you want me
39:00
to run for president man you better you
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better send me a really loud message and
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a loud message that I can really hear
39:05
and so I think it's gonna be calling I
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don't know if they have the calling or
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not
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what's the near future well I'll have to
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see what happens with my deal my deal is
39:13
before City is for 15 months these sort
39:16
of ridiculous is fine if they approve
39:18
the deal I'll sell the deal I'll go work
39:20
with the the acquired company to help
39:23
grow that business I'll probably do more
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TV and I'll probably
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do some teaching and I'm having a lot of
39:32
fun any politics in your future I don't
39:34
have the calling so so I don't see
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myself running for politics I think it's
39:39
sort of funny I think the reason why I'm
39:41
getting hit so hard is people see me as
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a potential political adversary so
39:45
they're cream and me they're taking out
39:47
my family they're trying to disfigure me
39:49
those nonsense but I mean I wish I could
39:51
give them a newsflash you know the next
39:52
time I'm gonna be in Washington probably
39:53
be visiting the Smithsonian okay I have
39:56
no interest I think these people are a
39:57
bunch of jokers I mean I know I did we
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only one way I could go into politics
40:03
that is if there was a seismic change in
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our population where people really did
40:08
want the truth and they really wanted to
40:10
fix it they wanted people and they'd
40:13
have to be it couldn't just be me they'd
40:14
have to be a legion of me say okay look
40:16
we got to really fix the problem okay
40:18
we're tired of the nonsense the swamp is
40:21
like draining us dry
40:22
there's no drain on the swamp except for
40:25
the drain on the American people into
40:27
the swamp
40:27
suta mean so the America be able to say
40:29
cut was completely done with this
40:30
nonsense we got to hire some people
40:32
they're gonna tell the truth and fix it
40:33
and see if they do uncle trump's trying
40:36
to you know final question you brought
40:38
up your family I know that joining
40:40
Trump's group was hard on your marriage
40:43
what's the status this guy's like a you
40:45
this guy's like a character with the you
40:47
finish I'm saying part of my marriage
40:49
has a capacity it was like a full-blown
40:51
nice well I didn't want to be boyish a
40:54
something funny's okay and I told this
40:55
to the press I said I'm Adam problem I'm
40:57
my wife she's filed for divorce I said
40:59
the minute we fire Priebus they're gonna
41:02
drop that story seven to 10 minutes
41:04
after and boom as soon as Priebus got
41:07
hit they dropped the divorce story on me
41:10
and you know the whole problem that I
41:12
had with the birth and my wife and I and
41:15
the whole thing so it was an unmitigated
41:17
catastrophe so it's awesome I got hit
41:18
professionally I got hit personally I
41:21
got hit politically I don't you're fine
41:25
you're the rubber ball feel this this is
41:27
like real hair really I know it's great
41:28
look at the second house that's like an
41:30
Italian chia pet if you're nice to me
41:31
I'll let you use it one night before I
41:33
put it on eBay I choked that before I
41:35
started the company I had hair like
41:36
Fabio so yeah well see there you go so I
41:38
didn't lose it yeah thank God
41:41
although that's a fantastic dye job
41:44
right that's Latin American dictator
41:45
Brown okay because I was I was using
41:48
Cuban leader black on TV but it looked
41:50
terrible so now we're gonna Latin
41:51
American dictator Brown and I patched up
41:54
with my wife you know I love my wife and
41:56
I think she loves me and we were
41:59
fighting like dogs and we were fighting
42:01
for a lot of different reasons some of
42:03
them are politically based and I'm gonna
42:05
tell you something that is very true and
42:08
if you got it listeners out there our
42:10
viewers they really want to learn from
42:12
other people's mistakes or shortcomings
42:13
let me tell you one of mine
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I got my priorities walk in 2017 that's
42:20
the facts I oversized my ambition I over
42:24
sized those things that are not really
42:26
as important as things like love of your
42:29
family and your friends and the
42:30
commitment to those things that are
42:33
grounding and solid and I got my
42:35
ambition and it it caused the universe
42:38
to smash me in the mouth and so I'm up
42:43
off the canvas now not a few teeth are
42:45
missing but I love my wife and I'm
42:48
committed to her I hope I can make it
42:50
work with it fantastic great story good
42:52
luck a great comedian
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